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Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by mciancia »

Eh, I have been using latest gen x1 carbon for last year or so that I got from work and recently bough a p15 gen1 for some personal windows usage.

I have to say, both machines are terrible. X1 is pretty slow (some 4c i7 with basic iGPU) - running dual 4k displays, webex and similar apps is pretty slow, even scrolling websites is not smooth quite often. Also, fan never turns off and battery life is well, not great.

P15 is just ridiculous for it's MSRP, touchpad is shit, battery life is shit, CPU sometimes gets stuck at ~400Mhz just because (x1 also has this problem actually) and after googling it seems to be common issue with lenovo hardware (WTF)

Also, why they they included 2 thunderbolt ports and 1 usb-c where not one of them supports charging is beyong me, having to use this stupid lenovo psu every time is PITA)

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by OJFord »

Ourgon wrote: post #87
gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

> I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks I'm glad my "Linux laptops" are very much not like those macbooks with their glue and solder and "no user-serviceable parts inside (and we really mean it)" > This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. T…

Funnily enough the Framework laptop is nothing like 'glue and solder' (it's designed for repair and upgrade, with extremely well thought out captive screws and magnets) but does have I would say 'the build quality and support of Apple laptops'.

Support even better in a way, since they'll just ship you a replacement part rather than charge you through the nose for 'Framework Care' only to tell you it's old and needs replacing, can trade in if you want or send it off for weeks to have a 'refurbished' (not new) part fitted.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by philliphaydon »

intsunny wrote: post #97

I've been holding off on purchasing a new Lenovo laptop. Shortly Lenovo will start shipping latops with the new generation AMD Ryzen mobile chips that have RDNA 2 GPUs. [0][1] This is a real game changer. The amount of power and open source VULKAN friendliness is going to be incredible. I look forward to being able to do container work, and emulate Gamecube games all on a single Linux machine. [0] https://www.aroged.…

I have 2. Lenovo Legion 7 with aand AND cpu. And a ThinkPad X1 Extreme gen 1. I’m hoping new job I can get the X1 Extreme gen 5 cos I love the 16:10 screen.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by jillesvangurp »

scrlk wrote: post #73
gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I will never understand the fetishisation of metal as a "premium" feeling material - if anything, it's impractical for a laptop. (conducts heat so can be uncomfortable to use on your lap if the thermal solution is poorly designed; dents/bends when dropped; probably harder for RF/antenna design...) It's the same reason why phones turned in to "premium" glass and metal sandwiches that people immediately slap in to a ch…

I worked for Nokia. The Lumias had great hardware. And even Windows Phone wasn't that bad. If they'd bothered doubling down on Meego just when Google was still struggling with making Android usable, fast, and not an enormous mess, they would have had a chance. Instead they dumped it in favor of Symbian and later Windows Phone. MS bought the remains of Nokia, mismanaged it, and then cancelled the whole thing.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by sascha_sl »

gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I switched from a Legion 5 (plastic housing) to a Legion 7 (same design, but aluminum) and the only noticable difference is that the plastic is much better at keeping ambient temperature. When off, the 7 feels noticably colder and when on, it feels hotter.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by Kaibeezy »

jeswin wrote: post #5
macco wrote: post #2

Why they have this bad touchpads is beyond me. Then it would be better to ditch them completely and position the keyboard nearer to the user. Like tho good Linux support though.

> Then it would be better to ditch them completely and position the keyboard nearer to the user. I'll need to carry a palm rest as well then.

I’m reluctant to let go of my X220 for exactly this reason. On typing-heavy/pointer-minimal tasks, the keyboard and wrist rest ergonomics are basically perfect. To the point where I made a wrist rest for my desktop keyboard out of carved pine wrapped with leather that precisely matches the X220 geometry.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by pmontra »

tommiegannert wrote: post #4

> Lenovo is famous for their TrackPoint (that little red thing on the keyboard), but I am not sure if I’ll take the time to learn using it. Who's still using this? I removed the red rubber because it was leaving residue on my screen.

Selection bias: Lenovo is selling some (I bet a fair one) percentage of laptops precisely because they have the trackpoint. Remove it and lose even only one million customers forever? Why?

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by danhor »

Stratoscope wrote: post #13

I have two of these machines. They are very nice. Actually, one is an X1 Extreme Gen 3, and the other is a P1 Gen 3. Same machine with different GPUs. My work provided me with the X1E with Ubuntu preinstalled (that is our standard dev environment). But I found the hardware support very unsatisfactory. I use a specific display configuration. Three monitors in total: the ThinkPad's 4K display, with a 24" 4K display abo…

> They all paired fine as headphones, but the microphones never worked.

To me that doesn't sound like a hardware problem. I need to switch the codec & profile[0] in pavucontrol to use the microphones, which is not done automatically. That might be the issue here.

[0]: Damm you, bluetooth SIG

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by skocznymroczny »

scrlk wrote: post #73
gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I will never understand the fetishisation of metal as a "premium" feeling material - if anything, it's impractical for a laptop. (conducts heat so can be uncomfortable to use on your lap if the thermal solution is poorly designed; dents/bends when dropped; probably harder for RF/antenna design...) It's the same reason why phones turned in to "premium" glass and metal sandwiches that people immediately slap in to a ch…

> It's the same reason why phones turned in to "premium" glass and metal sandwiches that people immediately slap in to a cheap plastic case because the "premium" design is simply too thin and slippery to use.

People slap phones in to cheap plastic case to prevent scratches, or to make phones balanced in case of a camera sticking out of the back.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by halotrope »

Generally great machines for Linux. Just a PSA from a X1E gen2 owner: Do NOT get the NVidia GPU, do NOT get the fastest CPU and most importantly: do NOT opt for the 4k screen.

With 1080p and Intel GPU it is a good, even great laptop with ok battery life (if you can look over the touchpad). Wonderful keyboard, good Linux support (even fingerprint reader works). But just as with the last Intel macbook, the GPU, 10th gen CPU on 14nm and thermally constrained chassis will make this a hot mess with 2 hours battery life , fans always spinning and poor framerates on desktop. That being said, Ubuntu has come a long way and in general. Not sure if I would go for a M1 mbp, or another Thinkpad today.

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