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Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by Avamander »

byefruit wrote: post #75
Avamander wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll get similar battery life only if the Intel gets severely power limited. A newer AMD would be more comparable.

If you scroll down on the link above you can see some graphs that show the 1280P is significantly faster than the M1 and the battery lives are very similar 11 hours vs 13 hours. AMD are also doing a good job. The 7000s look very good. Crazy that this is still on a larger process node than Apple.

That graph is about light load.

The Intel is fast only with a ridiculous power usage, thus low runtime. It comes nowhere close to the M1's runtime when forced to the same high load.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by inawarminister »

dehugger wrote: post #63
gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I think you just look for different features in a laptop then the Thinkpad crowd does. I love the track point, you get a mouse you never have to take your fingers off the keyboard to use. I've used a plethora of modern latoptops, and to this day my favorite laptop is an ancient x200. It has not trackpad, only a track point. I upgraded it to heck, with a new ips screen, ram, new wireless card, storage, etc. The keyboa…

Have you heard about the X210 project? Some enthusiasist in China modded a motherboard to replace X200/X201 with modern chipset and ability to run 4K screen:

https://liliputing.com/2018/03/x210-mod-turns-classic-lenovo...

(It was updated to use 10th gen Intel in 2019, I don't know if it runs the newest ones now though. Would really love if someone make a Ryzen part for it)

But it's, of course, a mod rather than a finished product, so...

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen3 Review – with Linux

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Post by Avamander »

abxytg wrote: post #47
alkonaut wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On most laptops I find using a battery for any kind of heavy work a non-starter anyway. I might send an email or take a call on battery but I wouldn’t even launch a heavy IDE. Without aggressive power saving (I.e CPU sits under 1GHz even att full load meaning less than half the performance) then battery is often less than 30 minutes. I should add that this is for scorching hot “desktop replacement” (45W) laptops. But…

What?? I use mine for all heavy work (ide, video editing, Ableton) on battery. Why would you ever purchase a laptop you can't use lol.

It's not that the OP would like that, it's just how it is with Intel+Nvidia "desktop replacements". Those setups do not scale too well between workloads.

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Post by faeriechangling »

capableweb wrote: post #60
gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I exclusively used MacBooks from 2012 to 2018 or something like that, before switching to a Carbon X1, and could never switch back. None of the laptops from Apple I had could actually be used from my lap, which is where I want to use my laptop, because of the heat coming from the bottom of the MacBooks. So I'm quite happy with plastic/softer materials rather than whatever metal material Apple uses.

The 2018 x1c vs the 2018 MacBook Air was somewhat a blowout. We're talking 14" vs 13" screen, lower weight vs higher weight, 4 core vs 2 core, reliable machine vs butterfly keyboard, essentially even battery life, displays, and speakers for the most part.

You had to be REALLY attached to MacOS or the Apple ecosystem to seriously consider a MBA. When Apple m1 was released, the battery life and performance situation VERY much changed making Apples product very very competitive as a standalone product. You absolutely made the right choice in 2018, but the game has changed and Apple is back.

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Post by atoav »

abxytg wrote: post #50
atoav wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an audio guy I tried, but I don't like the sound. My Sennheiser HD-25 cans are perfect for the road. The cable and the cups are propperly decoupled from the headpart, the cable comes as a plug and play replacement should it fail after 3 years of rough (including sports) use. I have had one pair of these headphones for 16 years now. I wonder how airpods would compare in terms of pure surviveability.

I stopped traveling with my ath m50s when I got a half decent pair of noise cancelling cans.

The hd-25 are not noise cancelling, but they have such a good attenuation that I can easily use them as a hearing protection when I forget mine when at band practise with a loud drummer.

This might also be the reason why they are quite popular with DJs

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Post by Ourgon »

gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

> I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks

I'm glad my "Linux laptops" are very much not like those macbooks with their glue and solder and "no user-serviceable parts inside (and we really mean it)"

> This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th century tech (eraser mouse, c'mon!). They are my grandfather's laptop.

The good thing with those machines is that you'll be able to keep on using your grandfather's laptop while those whose grandfathers opted for macbooks are left wanting. I'm using a T42p from 2005, apart from putting in an SSD I have not changed the thing. It was, and still is, a perfectly useable tool.

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Post by matsemann »

macco wrote: post #2

Why they have this bad touchpads is beyond me. Then it would be better to ditch them completely and position the keyboard nearer to the user. Like tho good Linux support though.

I've been very happy with both my P1 and Carbon touchpads. Not as customizable as a mac's (using BTT) out of the box, but the feel is fine. Much better than the Dell XPS I'm writing this from, dragging anything is literally impossible.

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Post by pmontra »

gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

I'm writing this on a plastic laptop that I've been using as my only machine since 2014. Anecdotally its build should be that bad if it's still good to let me pay my bills. Of course it's not in the $300-400 range and its upgradeability made the difference. I would have replaced it a couple of times if I couldn't have added extra RAM and swapped the HDD and DVD for 2 SSDs or replaced the keyboard every time my fingers ended up wearing it. That would have been a waste of money and that's more build quality than plastic vs metal.

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Post by unmole »

gabereiser wrote: post #45

I find it rather peculiar that tech folks think a plastic laptop is good build quality considering what we have from Apple and others. I wish more linux laptops had the build quality and support of macbooks. This isn't a rant from an Apple fan, this is a rant from a laptop fan. ThinkPad's aren't good laptops despite what the guy with the pocket protector says. They are flimsy and feel cheap. They still have 20th cent…

What I find peculiar is the fetishization of metal for laptops and phones. I hate how a cold slab of metal feels in my hand. I hate how the aluminium framed laptops radiate heat and make it impossible to actually use them on my lap.
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