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Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I for one can read it just fine.

How are you able to?

Someone has posted an archive of it, but usually you can get past a paywall by pressing Ctrl-P to print before the paywall appears

Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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This is the conclusion of the paper [1] that this article is based upon: "We suggest that any real declines are generally most easily explained by changes in cultivated varieties between 1950 and 1999, in which there may be trade-offs between yield and nutrient content." What National Geographic says scientists say, "Scientists say that the root of the problem lies in modern agricultural processes that increase crop…

Because this article isn’t a review of a single paper?

They’ve used a single paper to write a broader article. You can find other papers that justify the other claims that the article makes.

Being a popular article as opposed to an article in a scientific journal means references are not also necessary, although I suspect if you reached out to the author they would provide you with a list of references they used.

Also, the idea that the media used to be better is even more laughable. In fact, popular science media, with all its flaws, is better than its ever been. The reality is popular science is just hard to do.

Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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This is the conclusion of the paper [1] that this article is based upon: "We suggest that any real declines are generally most easily explained by changes in cultivated varieties between 1950 and 1999, in which there may be trade-offs between yield and nutrient content." What National Geographic says scientists say, "Scientists say that the root of the problem lies in modern agricultural processes that increase crop…

My anecdote from my garden is that my smaller cucumbers have way more taste, my smaller red bellpebbers are way more pebbery, potatoes have a richer taste, if this is just freshnes i dont know, but there for sure is a huge difference.

Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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This plays a big part in the unhealthfulness of modern diets IMO, the reduction in magnesium content especially. Magnesium is extremely important and involved in so many enzymatic reactions, and so easily leeched out by high-sugar diets (and other stressors), that replenishing it (via supplementation) makes it look like a panacea.

Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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The way things are going we'll all end up taking vitamin pills and calling it a day Eating fruit and veg is becoming increasingly pointless. No taste, no nutrients, lots of chems. May as well drink water

> taking vitamin pills

Except that it is not the same, it's not a solution...

Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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I think the latest research was showing that soil and mycorrhizae networks are very critical to the nutritional content of various plants. The sad thing is that same study (need to find it again) showed that applying conventional fertilizer actively reduced mycorrhizae and biological diversity in the soil. The scary thing is there's not much awareness of this in mainstream media. The only thing I've seen in mainstrea…

Also that modern ag uses heavy equipment which compacts the soil, reducing its ability to breath. Basically suffocates it, and unless you run a plow to 3m depth this is unfixable in less than say 10K years.

Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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When gluten-free diets began to become popular, I had a similar question as to why a food that had been a staple of multiple civilisations for hundreds of years had suddenly become "bad for you". Dan Barber has a book on this called The Third Plate, which served as a great introduction for me on nutrition, but from a culinary perspective. He's also one of the chefs profiled in the first season of Netflix's Chef's Table.

Re: Fruits and vegetables are less nutritious than they used to be

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This is the conclusion of the paper [1] that this article is based upon: "We suggest that any real declines are generally most easily explained by changes in cultivated varieties between 1950 and 1999, in which there may be trade-offs between yield and nutrient content." What National Geographic says scientists say, "Scientists say that the root of the problem lies in modern agricultural processes that increase crop…

My anecdote from my garden is that my smaller cucumbers have way more taste, my smaller red bellpebbers are way more pebbery, potatoes have a richer taste, if this is just freshnes i dont know, but there for sure is a huge difference.

It was always the case that smaller vegetables are stronger in taste. I'm guessing that the larger ones took up more water, which diluted the taste, but without a difference of total nutrients.
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