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Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by ramblerman »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #224
kevin_morrill wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get what you’re saying but is the track record of terrorism any better at causing constructive change? Really we need to engage a lot of people’s minds, and that just turns out to be really hard in our current culture no matter what angle you come at it from.

No, what I'm saying is that understanding peaceful movements separate from violent ones is missing the point. For example martin luther king jr's peaceful civil rights movement was effective in part because there was a credible threat of a violent movement on its wing. There was conflict and cooperation between these movements, they can't be cleanly separated. A lot of the reason white people came to the negotiating…

You should be placed on some kind of watch list.

Also, How many innocent people do you think you need to kill exactly to sway the CCP.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by king-geedorah »

sph wrote: post #26

> there are street vendors in major cities selling special fruit that supposedly helps protect people from the potentially damaging effects of above-normal temperatures. [...] "Instead of the regular synthetic fruits, you know, the ready-made fruit juice which is harm[ful] to the health, these are good for your health as well and these are the only way that you can manage the heat." What's this mysterious special fru…

As some other comments have mentioned, South Asia has this concept of hot and cold foods that basically map to one of the sides of the four humors[0]. This classification seeks to define what the reaction of the body is upon ingesting the food/drink and I've always somewhat associated it with foods that can be inflammatory (hot) vs more neutral refreshing drinks (cold). Interesting to see it mentioned on HN

[0]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Humorism.svg#/media/...

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by Etheryte »

refurb wrote: post #198
atq2119 wrote: post #173

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My understanding is that 1901 wasn't particularly hot. They mention 1901 because that's when systematic collection of weather data began.

"Meteorologists from the India Meteorological Department (IMD) found that March 2022 was the hottest March for India as a whole since 1901" .

As the other comment already pointed out, the study linked in the article [0] makes it clear that it's not the case that 1901 was the hottest March, but instead 1901 is the year that data gathering began. The warmest March on record was 2010.

> Characteristics of Average maximum, minimum and mean temperature for the country as a whole and over four homogenous region during March 2022 and its comparison since 1901

> [...]

> The country averaged monthly mean temperatures of 26.67ºC is the second warmest since 1901 (The warmest year on record was 2010 (26.671 ºC)).

[0] https://internal.imd.gov.in/press_release/20220402_pr_1551.p...

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by giraffe_lady »

ramblerman wrote: post #241
giraffe_lady wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, what I'm saying is that understanding peaceful movements separate from violent ones is missing the point. For example martin luther king jr's peaceful civil rights movement was effective in part because there was a credible threat of a violent movement on its wing. There was conflict and cooperation between these movements, they can't be cleanly separated. A lot of the reason white people came to the negotiating…

You should be placed on some kind of watch list. Also, How many innocent people do you think you need to kill exactly to sway the CCP.

Again I will make this point, again and again. Here, today, on HN, in this comment section, we have people endorsing mass population culling of the most dispossessed people on earth, and the least responsible for climate change. How am I the moral transgressor for arguing, abstractly, that redirecting the harm towards those actually perpetrating it is preferable?

The CCP isn't my problem honestly. Most of the major contributors to climate change are operated from within my own country, so I'll focus on that. There's plenty of work to go around, I'm sure someone over there can handle that part of the project.

The fact that people can never really come up with anything except "but well CHINA" speaks volumes to me. You aren't rejecting this stance because you abhor violence. Climate change IS VIOLENCE. Where is your outrage, what are you willing to do about it?

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by kldx »

rpozarickij wrote: post #215
jillesvangurp wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A wet bulb related crisis in India is used as a plot point in Kim Stanley Robinson's latest novel Ministry for the Future. The way he describes the wet bulb event is quite scary. (edit: corrected author and title, I confused this with Neal Stephenson's latest Termination Shock). Imagine something like that happening in a slum. It's the combination of humidity, temperature and poverty that is deadly. Think mass casual…

> The human body loses the ability to cool it self with 100% humidity I wonder whether there are practical/efficient ways of decreasing humidity in situations like this in closed spaces? So that you could use a regular fan again to cool yourself by means of evaporation of water off of your skin.

An air conditioner already is a cooler and a dehumidifier. In a closed system, using a dehumidifier and then an evaporative cooler makes no difference. Assuming the electrical input to these is dissipated as heat, it ends up heating the room further.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by ramblerman »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #244
ramblerman wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be placed on some kind of watch list. Also, How many innocent people do you think you need to kill exactly to sway the CCP.

Again I will make this point, again and again. Here, today, on HN, in this comment section, we have people endorsing mass population culling of the most dispossessed people on earth, and the least responsible for climate change. How am I the moral transgressor for arguing, abstractly, that redirecting the harm towards those actually perpetrating it is preferable? The CCP isn't my problem honestly. Most of the major c…

But you have no solution, you just condone killing a few people in your own country because surely that will do something.

The fact that you can't even understand this is a global problem and just figure "someone over there can handle that part of the project" is telling.

You are a dangerous ideologue.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by refurb »

Etheryte wrote: post #243
refurb wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Meteorologists from the India Meteorological Department (IMD) found that March 2022 was the hottest March for India as a whole since 1901" .

As the other comment already pointed out, the study linked in the article [0] makes it clear that it's not the case that 1901 was the hottest March, but instead 1901 is the year that data gathering began. The warmest March on record was 2010. > Characteristics of Average maximum, minimum and mean temperature for the country as a whole and over four homogenous region during March 2022 and its comparison since 1901 > […

By 1 thousandth of a degree C?

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by brtkdotse »

ricardobayes wrote: post #226
OccamsRazr wrote: post #132

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As someone who was in Europe for one of the heatwaves of recent years, and whose appartment was in one of these older buildings designed this ways with thick walls etc., I can attest that this only works up to a point . This design relies on there being cold air for the building to retain. However, in a heatwave it doesn't even get cold at night. The result is your apartment gradually heating over a period of days /…

Northern Europe complains of the heat in the summer - they have nice radiators for the 7-9 months that need heating, Southern Europe complains of the winter cold because of the lack of insulation and central heating.

That’s so weird to me - why on earth would you skimp ion insulation? The stuff barely costs anything and it helps keep the place cool in the summer as well as warm in the winter

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Post by giraffe_lady »

ramblerman wrote: post #246
giraffe_lady wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again I will make this point, again and again. Here, today, on HN, in this comment section, we have people endorsing mass population culling of the most dispossessed people on earth, and the least responsible for climate change. How am I the moral transgressor for arguing, abstractly, that redirecting the harm towards those actually perpetrating it is preferable? The CCP isn't my problem honestly. Most of the major c…

But you have no solution, you just condone killing a few people in your own country because surely that will do something. The fact that you can't even understand this is a global problem and just figure "someone over there can handle that part of the project" is telling. You are a dangerous ideologue.

No one ever actually asked what my solution was!

My actual position is that there does need to be an extremist counterpart to the peaceful climate movement that can plausibly escalate to violence against people. But that there are several steps along the way with chances for those in power to de-escalate first.

Things like targeted destruction of fossil fuel facilities and harassment campaigns against certain politicians and executives are likely to be very effective at raising the cost of contributing to the climate crisis. If those with the power to actually respond to those measures do so, it won't need to escalate further. Hopefully violence isn't necessary but at this point unfortunately, the credible threat of it is.

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