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Is everything falling apart?

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Re: Is everything falling apart?

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I remember watching the universal disdain Americans shared for high finance after 2008 and even movements like Occupy Wall Street resonated with a lot more people than one would have predicted. Then, all of the sudden, a whole new field of social engineering algorithms are unleashed on the populace, convincing everyone that their neighbor is the true enemy.

things became quite, i think the main reason was that they fixed the economy, for a while.

However you have a point, media is very potent factor; You see that in Russia, where the state has a monopoly on the press, and old TV managed to persuade a majority in necessity of this senseless war, which is going on right now.

The new media thing is creating a kind of monopoly on information for your own tribe, because it trains everyone to discard any info that comes from the other side of the fence. So there is a strong element of social control here. (don't know if Mr. Musk will manage to change that, but he seems to be trying...)

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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> “Essential workers” are pretty fucking pissed millions sat on their ass with no clue how to feed or care for themselves. They are not showing the same allegiance to shit jobs and moving on. They never had allegiance, they didn't leave shit jobs because of fear and the fact that moving between 2 minimum wage jobs likely wouldn't improve their circumstances. People are switching jobs because its an option now where i…

The last two years have shown younger generations that JIT is not resilient. Some level of self sufficiency is a requirement for stability and resiliency. Past generations learned this lesson with some portion of the population starving. There aren't any farms within 500 miles of where I live. If we can't get shipments from outside people are going to starve. This realization of supply chain fragility is what many pe…

> The last two years have shown younger generations that JIT is not resilient.

I'm a millennial and I worked for 2 of the big 3 German Auto manufactures in Supply Chain and Logistics and then went to work for a US megacorp, I can assure you: many of us of from all ages have been sounding the alarm since of an imminent crisis since at least 2016. No one cared, the MBAs in collusion with the executive board were too busy asset stripping and optimizing business models for short-term gains and massaging PnL sheets to make it look like the future was filled with endless profits.

The reality is that accounting displaced it's responsibility on to the SC and Logistics side to the absolute limits to the determent of accurate forecasting and modeling in order to keep the 'make believe' narrative alive.

> Each community must grow some amount of food locally or their continued survival is reliant on there being enough food to make it profitable to ship food thousands of miles.

To be fair, 2020 marked a high-water mark for CSAs in the US [0] due to the COVID shortages, sadly it was soon forgotten afterward. People have short-term memories, and the appeal of outsourcing this vital component of keeping Society functioning has little effect on people until it's often far too late.

0: https://www.small-farm.com/wp/2020/04/24/2020-csa-shares-sol...

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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> “Essential workers” are pretty fucking pissed millions sat on their ass with no clue how to feed or care for themselves. They are not showing the same allegiance to shit jobs and moving on. They never had allegiance, they didn't leave shit jobs because of fear and the fact that moving between 2 minimum wage jobs likely wouldn't improve their circumstances. People are switching jobs because its an option now where i…

Your 2nd point is complete nonsense. Something can be stable, inefficient and wasteful all at the same time. Just because YOU think 'progress' is making something more efficient & less wasteful at the cost of stability does not make it fact. I, and probably many other people, would consider it a foolish approach. Progress, to me, would be making the food industry less fragile (i.e. more stable).

> Progress, to me, would be making the food industry less fragile (i.e. more stable).

How much so? FOr all the talk of techno-utopian ideals amongst the HN crowds, it isn't until you reach the 'I'm burned out, so I'm going farming' phase of a tech worker (I did rather early at 26) that most here will take any level of consideration in making any effort towards that end.

For most, it seems like a contrarian past time to argue the merits of conventional vs organic food becase: 'carbon is carbon.' Not realizing the underlying aspect of most of the local and organic movement is to strengthen the food supply that had been vastly consolidated by the pharmaceutical corporations in the late 70s who filled your plate with pesticide-laden franken-food shipped from all over the World and made us more food insecure (in non=processed junk) and diseased than ever in the US history.

In short, simply going to the farmers market once in a blue moon to have a story to tell here isn't living up to your rhetoric, and it seems that salary/TC alone isn't enough to compel some of the most well paid workers in the US to opt for making the food supply less fragile at all.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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> We need to swing back to a more US focused economy. > Cheaper medical, education, housing is what other 95% could use. Eds, meds, and beds can't be outsourced, which is why they're increasingly too expensive for workers. Fix the first problem above and the second will follow.

> Eds, meds, and beds can't be outsourced, which is why they're increasingly too expensive for workers. Fix the first problem above and the second will follow. Education has been forcefully disrupted, by the institutions themselves no less: Zoom School proved what most of us knew all along, most institutions are just costly degree mills with little to no emphasis on truly educated their students. I personally attend…

> Zoom School proved what most of us knew all along

I'm not sure how things are in the UK, but the sentiment in the US is that Zoom schooling was an unmitigated disaster.

I was bullish on remote education prior to COVID, but interacting with the output of remote learning (at work and in volunteer work) has completely changed my mind. COVID was nowhere near a perfect experiment, but what evidence we can glean overwhelming contributes to evidence to the "remote learning sucks for at least a majority of students of all ages" side of this debate.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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Oh yeah no doubt; I collate trends into reports for rich investors. Lately they have been focused on youth trends, and some numbers are wacky. 40% point drop in 16 year olds getting a license since the 80s as urbanization puts people closer to stuff and ride share appeared. Youth participation in sports, especially full contact sports, had been going down since before covid which just accelerated it, leading to forec…

> > 40% point drop in 16 year olds getting a license since the 80s as urbanization puts people closer to stuff and ride share appeared. As a young-ish person neither of these seems particularly “wacky”, and if places actually are re-urbanizing to any significant degree I’d say that’s a good thing given the changes we need to make to address climate change. Doesn’t feel like they are in the moment though.

If anything, believing in God/higher being is wacky. :p (And reminder that the U.S. is the most religious highly developed Western nation by far.)

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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A lot of those very much do not sound like "things are falling apart" to me

Reality is not unzipping in that the speed of light is different. A lot of inner monologues, sense of belonging, hope for the future, as something like covid makes the masses see a minority who do none of the “real work” as dependents who somehow have far more comfortable lives. Tech oligarchs who were all “Disrupt!” are now all “Wait not me! I’m a rent seeker now!” It’s a predictable circle of life given the common…

> Tech oligarchs who were all “Disrupt!” are now all “Wait not me! I’m a rent seeker now!”

It's always been an empty platitude from the SV disillusional masses: when the business model is 'grow at all costs, even if you lose money' in order to cash out on an over-inflated IPO, it was clear that it was never to disrupt anything. It was t:o build something seemingly novel, raise funds to fight a war of attrition, moat, weaken the opposition and take majority market-share and then cash out.

Plan B is selling out to some megacorp/tech oligarch in order to rinse and repeat as a 'serial entrepreneur' until you eventually get to a position in which you get on a board and you can ossify something like Twitter, too!

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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OP didn't say kids trust science though. It could be they reject everything. :-(

Rejecting organized religion for any reason is a step in the right direction.

Organized religion constrains and directs group dynamics. That's not a defense or indictment of religion; it's just a fact.

Getting rid of organized religion does not get rid of the fundamental aspects of human cognition that give rise to certain types of group dynamics.

Since the 1800s, non-theists have warned that getting rid of religion is not an unmitigated good. "God is dead" was a warning.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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Rejecting organized religion for any reason is a step in the right direction.

Organized religion constrains and directs group dynamics. That's not a defense or indictment of religion; it's just a fact. Getting rid of organized religion does not get rid of the fundamental aspects of human cognition that give rise to certain types of group dynamics. Since the 1800s, non-theists have warned that getting rid of religion is not an unmitigated good. "God is dead" was a warning.

So...a desperate attempt to invent God from whole cloth?

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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> In my view, our "tribes" broadly descend from pro- vs. anti-slavery camps Fact: George Floyd wouldn’t have died if he didn’t resist arrest. I’m certainly not pro-slavery, and agree people can be racist, but there is certainly something wrong if people can’t openly discuss taboo truths without being slighted as a racist themselves, utterly dismissed, or censored.

> there is certainly something wrong if people can’t openly discuss taboo truths without being slighted as a racist themselves, utterly dismissed, or censored. There are things that are true and impactful and worth talking about, and some of those conversations get shut down because they make people feel uncomfortable. Your statement is not in that group. There are statements that, while technically true, are mislead…

My statement is admittedly terse but you’re wrong to dismiss it.

The unwillingness to even consider other opinions and the abject expansion of what qualifies as racist (and it’s use as slur) is exactly what’s perpetuating our issues.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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>And the baby boomers who created the upset of the 60's are now in charge, and their disillusioned leadership is pushing these divisions ever wider. Why do people think of an entire generation of people as a single minded entity? Might as well say, "women," or "men," or "humans." Did you know the majority of baby boomers weren't hippies? Looking at documentaries of the era, you'd think they were. Many boomers hated h…

Is this sarcasm? It's truly laughable if you don't think boomers had a clear advantage in comparison to Millennials, Gen X, etc; I'm sorry you didn't reap the benefits of the most benevolent time in America's history but plenty of your Boomer counter-parts sure as hell did. I've met enough Boomers that there is nothing wrong with generalizing Boomers as a whole. Just like a huge percentage of my generation totally ga…

'I've met enough __________ that there is nothing wrong with generalizing about ________ as a whole. Every last __________ are __________.

You have no perspective, self awareness, nor understanding of economics and history so you blame it on boomers.

     The prosperity you talk of included smaller homes, built to different code, with a population of 205 million not 330, at a time with huge unemployment and high interest rates. There are so many factors, but yeah distill it down to BOOMER hate because it works for your simplistic thinking and you have met a representative portion to be able to judge them all. 

     I grew up in the 80s. EVERYTHING is nicer today, everything. But let's look at your example. Housing. Job stress was super bad in the recession of the 80s. You don't understand what it is like to live in the gloom that was the 80s. Let's talk about the economic part of that gloom. Continuing on the inflation/high interest of the 70s. Every night on the news they talked about how no one would ever have the American dream of owning a home again, what with the combination of high interest rates and no one having jobs because of the recession (unemployment 1980 7.2%, 1981 8.5%, 1982 10.8% 1983 8.3%, 1984 7.3%, 1985 7%). 

    Man if you could only live in those glorious times when house prices were cheap because nobody had jobs, and those that did have jobs were poorly paid (because of competition for jobs) and their money was quickly worthless because of interest rates/inflation (Inflation of 1979 13.3%, 1980 13.50%, 1981 10.3%). You leave out that homes were cheaper because interest was so high people couldn't afford the price they can with lower interest. 1980 15%, 1985 9.93%.
 
     I remember my boomer parents and the stress in their eyes every day. But yeah, when they were young everything was easy not like your generation's struggle. FU dude. How dare you judge my parents? You don't know them. You don't know their struggles to keep food on the table for me. Just straight up F U dude. You are garbage, thinking you can judge them because you 'met enough Boomers that there is nothing wrong with generalizing Boomers'and because you are to ignorant to understand the factors that created the spread of home prices in the past and today but want to feel like you do.

     Stop being a tool, get some perspective on what you are talking about if you are going to judge people. You don't understand what it is like to live with a horrible economy for basically a decade, but because it depressed housing prices want to act like it was some sort of blessing.
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