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Re: Is everything falling apart?

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That, frankly, would be a small price to pay to stop hearing arguments about specialness of that generation.

... arguments which are nothing like the ones made on behalf of, say, "The Greatest Generation" that immediately preceded Boomers.

It’s apropos you forgot the Silent Generation between them!

Re: Is everything falling apart?

#562
How devoid of intelligence it is to consider this manufactured divide as the reason things may fall apart. The group of mass media big-shots is extremely cohesive, as per this author's own perception of integration. Yet they fuel both sides without a single care about whether this may cause things to fall apart, and they're not wrong, which becomes clear if you actually look at the world and try to understand it instead of just absorbing mass media without practicing intellectual self-defense.

Our eyes are being averted from the actual problem, because it's believed that the more we look at it, the worse it becomes. I reject this anti-intellectualism, therefore present you why everything is actually falling apart.

The more humanity advances, the more we lack eros (loosely love for things we do not have) and the eros we have becomes weirder or outright bizarre. As this happens, we lose hope, that's the fatal hit. For example, access to porn has demonstrably been extremely detrimental to sex. For every passion we lose, we lose hope or replace it with a fetish. When we lose a healthy passion for clothes, we stop caring about what we wear or (more common in the west) become fetishized with bizarrely priced brands. When we lose passion for work, we stop caring about the future entirely (common in the third world) or become parasitical bureaucrats. It all adds up and often materializes into drug abuse. For an extreme example, look up the catalytic converter gangs in Kinshasa [0]. This loss of hope is monotonically increasing globally, and the manufactured divide has nothing to do with it. In fact our elites believe a little infighting and polarization may be good, as extremists are generally hopeful when they see things going their way, and more traditional solutions like education don't seem to be working these days. I don't think this theory has a name yet.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20210927195719/https://nypost.co...

Re: Is everything falling apart?

#563
> By that I don’t just mean that I see social media, and the internet broadly, sustaining a trend we’ve seen at earlier technological thresholds, such as the print revolution—a trend toward more tribes, often narrower tribes, and sometimes more intensely combative tribes.

I keep expecting some kind of system of phyles. Like "pick your own adventure", but for real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age#Phyles

Instead, bad people weaponized k-means clustering to lock-in us-vs-them.

> The inexorable march of information technology, combined with the psychology of tribalism, has heightened turbulence, loathing, and delusion before, and it’s doing that now.

Yes and: Decreasing costs seems to accelerate winner-takes-all outcomes.

We technoptimists thought that improved production, distribution, discovery, and consumption would lead to a better signal-to-noise. We were wrong. Sure, we got a lot more content. But now anti-information dominates.

Why? Some scattered notions:

I guess we didn't anticipate the attention economy, how an over abundance in content (opinions) would create a scarcity of attention (deliberation).

I definitely didn not anticipate automating the hate machine with recommenders. (Parisi's filter bubble thesis was a near miss.)

And I was totally ignorant about rent seeking, financialization, and usury. How our economy's transition from manufacturing to services would accelerate inequity. The resulting anxiety is a huge part of our current hysteria.

h/t Clay Shirky's obervation about power laws, Chomsky's theory of the 5 filters, Brandolini's law, Marshal McLuhan's Understanding Media.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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Oh yeah no doubt; I collate trends into reports for rich investors. Lately they have been focused on youth trends, and some numbers are wacky. 40% point drop in 16 year olds getting a license since the 80s as urbanization puts people closer to stuff and ride share appeared. Youth participation in sports, especially full contact sports, had been going down since before covid which just accelerated it, leading to forec…

Your observations about minimum wage work and globalized JIT supply chains are, I think, pretty valid. > Source? The only recent poll I could find on this was a 2020 poll from Pew, and in that poll the number is still over 80% [1]: "more than eight-in-ten American adolescents say they believe in God or a universal spirit." > most people can’t grow a potato for themselves. Not new, especially if meant literally, but a…

The conversations I’m in are not simply focused on brain trauma; the resource cost of hauling around teams and gear is substantial. Conversations at homes on “Main Street” are more frequently referring to multiple reasons for a decision, not reducing it to one or another.

Same goes for traditions like coin and paper money; they consume a lot of stuff and energy. That’s become a repeated talking point when polling people why they are interested in crypto, which was unexpected.

The data models I’m asked to build include more than just opinion polls though, as it’s felt by the folks I work with opinions are biased by media, anxiety of going against the grain, and frankly, lack of imagination and considering alternatives on the part of the public.

See a quote commonly attributed to Adam Smith about extreme division of labor resulting in humans dumber than animals; there’s no exploration across contexts; a farmer is a farmer and that’s it. Proper Anglo tradition of staying in lanes dictated by aristocracy.

Generational churn won’t end reality itself, or be so dramatic we stop using English. It will curve agency away from old forms of agency to new. A lot of people freak out about that.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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It's an endless cycle. As the saying goes... Hard times make strong men Strong men make good times Good times make weak men And weak men make hard times.

I've always thought that saying is pretty weak, not only because of the bias that anyone believes it will tend to characterise themselves as one of the "strong men", but also because what one side characterises as good times, another side will characterise as bad. The end of WW2 was a good time for the allies, pretty devastating for Germany, and yet we don't see Germany in current times as on a completely different t…

Yeah I'm pretty sure whoever wrote that saw police enforcement and brutality as the only reasonable solution to stability and what makes "a real man".

Re: Is everything falling apart?

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I have a much different experience. I have a dozen family members that were part of the auto industry in Michigan. They were on top of the world for decades. It ended with most of them thinking society has collapsed in the 80s and doubting they'd actually get their pension. My grandfather spent the last 30 years of his life in retirement collecting a pay check that he thought might be his last.

This is why defined benefit pension plans are so risky for retirees, employers, and taxpayers. We need to completely eliminate them and use defined contribution plans such as 401(k) instead. That way retirees actually own the assets in individual named accounts and those can't be taken away if the employer is sold or goes bankrupt.

Exactly, target date funds and broad market index funds with 0.03% fees have automated away the entire job of the pension fund. And the Feds will bail out the public markets, so retirement funds invested in the market are effectively insured by the best insurer possible at all times.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

#567

I think some things are falling apart but not everything. If you had the foresight/luck/guidance to get into a stable white collar career, find a partner, and buy a house before 2022 I think you're on "the train". This train is currently pulling away from a burning station containing everyone else who hasn't done those things yet. It's still possible to escape the station by running down the tracks but at this point…

While I agree that buying property has become very difficult, what has changed in 2022 that prevents you from getting a stable white collar job or finding a partner? If you have the requisite skillset (which can be acquired more easily than ever thanks to the internet) getting a stable white collar job is very possible. And in the age of dating apps, so much friction has been removed when it comes to finding a partne…

Having the skill set to do a job is vastly different from having the skill set (or connections) to get the job.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

#568

Everything is not falling apart, though certain institutions may be falling apart. In America, there's definitely been a breakdown of belief in its own institutions. Far more people are skeptical of things like journalism and Silicon Valley; it really wasn't that long ago that the former was constantly salivating over the latter, but now it's more of an openly vulture-carrion relationship because that caters to publi…

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Re: Is everything falling apart?

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> For what it's worth, the decline of trust in institutions is primarily among "Republican/lean Republican" respondents, who are a minority of American voters and likely a minority of American non-voters as well. The problem with this line of thinking is that "Republican/lean Republican" is not a fixed trait. People can switch to that category instantly, overnight; so dismissing them just because the last time there…

I think it depends on exactly which institutions too. I would guess that law enforcement is an institution that more liberals distrust and more conservatives support.

Also depends on which law enforcement! "Fuck the ATF" might be more common on the right than the left for instance.

Re: Is everything falling apart?

#570
With 500+ comments I doubt anyone will read this - and please don't - but "it happened before and we survived, so it's going to be okay" doesn't really resonate with me. We survived perhaps the bloodiest period of European history, where people set about to exterminate each other based on religion. Catholics in England weren't really given their full rights back until after the 1920s. And the schism in Christianity was like the Tower of Babel. So I'm not any more sanguine about the future after a the author brings up what became about 300 to 400 years of very bloody and repressive sectarian violence as a ... as a way to say it's going to be okay? Holy shit! If it's anything like the protestant-catholic sectarian fighting in Europe, it's going to be hell.
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