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Re: Actual is going open-source

#41

"I completely underestimated how much work it takes to build a business. There's so much overhead. I'm always figuring out why a build failed, taxes, how to triage issues, responding to support, designing UIs, responding to Apple's complaints, and more. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes. There's no way a single person can possible do this alone, especially as a side project." This is the part that resona…

so make 200K relatively easy?

Re: Actual is going open-source

#42

Interesting. I wonder why James didn't attempt to sell it at the very least? 36K ARR means you could have rather quickly found a buyer for 60k+ and gotten rid of the thing for a small but not in-significant payday. Also i wonder if the users are truly happy with being told they have to migrate to their own server as i'd assume they're the type who'd rather pay $4 a month instead of having to deal with the hassle. In…

36K is peanuts. That's 3K a month.

Re: Actual is going open-source

#43

"I completely underestimated how much work it takes to build a business. There's so much overhead. I'm always figuring out why a build failed, taxes, how to triage issues, responding to support, designing UIs, responding to Apple's complaints, and more. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes. There's no way a single person can possible do this alone, especially as a side project." This is the part that resona…

Well, it's the type of business. Personal finance is super-hard to break into. It requires trust and budget. Trust requires users and word of mouth so its chicken and egg. you're not going to compete as a one man show with intuit on budgets or trust.

i get the vision - build something so good and usable, and they will come. The good thing about Quickbooks though is that it's trustworthy in the social proof sense. That trumps a lot of ease of use (though it is also easy to use)

Re: Actual is going open-source

#44
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I wish people wouldn't use "we open sourced it" as a synonym for "this product is dead". Especially for a SaaS company, there is a totally valid business strategy in open sourcing your codebase but continuing to provide a paid SaaS offering for users that are not interested in self-hosting. It causes confusion every time a company open sources their software. Always have to wonder, "Is it dead and they are yeeting it…

To be fair, the email they sent to their newsletter list is more succinct and clear about their services shutting down: >>> This will be the last email you ever receive from Actual. You are receiving this because you are a subscriber or have used Actual in the past. Actual is moving to an open-source model and will be 100% free. This means our subscription syncing service will be shutting down in the future. We have…

Even that part is kind of misleading. Making the software open source doesn't mean that the subscription service has to shut down; those are two different decisions.

But maybe we don't have to be too critical. I tend to read "[project you've never heard of] is going open-source" as "here's a new project you might want to check out", but even if they really mean that the project is mostly shutting down, open sourcing it is a good thing to do.

Re: Actual is going open-source

#45
post #41

"I completely underestimated how much work it takes to build a business. There's so much overhead. I'm always figuring out why a build failed, taxes, how to triage issues, responding to support, designing UIs, responding to Apple's complaints, and more. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes. There's no way a single person can possible do this alone, especially as a side project." This is the part that resona…

so make 200K relatively easy?

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Re: Actual is going open-source

#46
post #42

Interesting. I wonder why James didn't attempt to sell it at the very least? 36K ARR means you could have rather quickly found a buyer for 60k+ and gotten rid of the thing for a small but not in-significant payday. Also i wonder if the users are truly happy with being told they have to migrate to their own server as i'd assume they're the type who'd rather pay $4 a month instead of having to deal with the hassle. In…

36K is peanuts. That's 3K a month.

i guess you make millions a month, i will still take 3k a month MRR.

Re: Actual is going open-source

#47

Sad that this app didn't achieve the scale of subscriptions it deserved. A good reminder that awesome tech isn't usually enough. Do you regret not taking capital to fund marketing and support full time? Or put another way, any other ideas of where you could have spent someone else's money to give you a boost into higher subscription numbers?

Yes I totally regret it. There are ethical VCs that would be willing to invest a small amount and I should have done that. Bootstrapping isn't all it's cracked up to be; there are a lot better and smarter ways to kickstart a project.

but if you can't generate enough revenues to justify valuations you wouldn't go anywhere either. i guess it is better to find that out after raising millions and paying yourself a fat salary

Re: Actual is going open-source

#48

"I completely underestimated how much work it takes to build a business. There's so much overhead. I'm always figuring out why a build failed, taxes, how to triage issues, responding to support, designing UIs, responding to Apple's complaints, and more. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes. There's no way a single person can possible do this alone, especially as a side project." This is the part that resona…

you can have a cushy tech job making 200K relatively easy

Some of these claims seem to come from people living on a different planet to me. Yes you can make that, but only if you are in a tiny (and normally very privileged) set.

The way it's breezily posted on this forum at times shows perhaps just a leeetle disconnect with the mainstream tech world

Re: Actual is going open-source

#49

"I completely underestimated how much work it takes to build a business. There's so much overhead. I'm always figuring out why a build failed, taxes, how to triage issues, responding to support, designing UIs, responding to Apple's complaints, and more. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes. There's no way a single person can possible do this alone, especially as a side project." This is the part that resona…

you can have a cushy tech job making 200K relatively easy Some of these claims seem to come from people living on a different planet to me. Yes you can make that, but only if you are in a tiny (and normally very privileged) set. The way it's breezily posted on this forum at times shows perhaps just a leeetle disconnect with the mainstream tech world

My read on that is that it is total comp, so it includes bonuses/RSUs/options. If you're not negotiating for those things, what are you doing. Though $200k base salary is not a crazy salary for a staff/principle/high-level engineer.

I don't think people realize how corrosive to mental health a $200k engineering job can be though. I was making very close to that as a base salary, and the amount of responsibilities I had, that all directly contributed to the success of the organization and the engineering team, was frankly staggering. I was always available, even when I wasn't "on call." I was always putting out very important fires. It never ended.

Re: Actual is going open-source

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

36K is peanuts. That's 3K a month.

i guess you make millions a month, i will still take 3k a month MRR.

3k MRR, but with a huge amount of extra stress on top of your full time job. It's not necessarily worth it, and the type of thing that leads to massive burnout.
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