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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by notch656a »

chrisseaton wrote: post #521
Nextgrid wrote: post #335

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Say that you're using PTO?

Lie to immigration? People in this thread are insane. Going to get yourselves banned from counties.

I've been to many nations including for months and including illegally overstaying. No one gave one fuck to ask whether I was working not. The only people that have ever grilled me like this is my own country, the USA, where returning as a citizen the last time I entered I was forcibly taken to a hospital to be anally probed (with even a warrant, although after 16 hours they could not find a doctor to execute it) based on a wild and false accusation they thought I was a drug smuggler. Only the USA and a few other insane nations are dumb enough to pull these kind of stunts.

Somewhere like Brazil/Paraguay/Mexico/Philippines/Iraq no one is gonna ask you if you worked remotely while on your way out. No one. Half the time they don't even bother to ask what you're doing while entering, they just stamp your passport and you're on your way. Japan may be different, but there is no way they're gonna deport you on your way out.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by kimbernator »

bko wrote: post #572
namecheapTA wrote: post #566

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Imagine living in a nice forest home near Tahoe. 20 years ago you had neighbors you talked to and could borrow a tool from. Now you have a never ending flow of new tourists visiting Tahoe staying at the Airbnb next to your house.

You have no right to control who comes into your neighborhood. This idea has deep ugly roots (e.g. redlining).

The issue isn't who is staying there, it's the fact that they are just random people that don't have any stake in the surrounding community except for their 2-night stay there.

Comparing this to redlining is absurd.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by chrisseaton »

notch656a wrote: post #581
chrisseaton wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lie to immigration? People in this thread are insane. Going to get yourselves banned from counties.

I've been to many nations including for months and including illegally overstaying. No one gave one fuck to ask whether I was working not. The only people that have ever grilled me like this is my own country, the USA, where returning as a citizen the last time I entered I was forcibly taken to a hospital to be anally probed (with even a warrant, although after 16 hours they could not find a doctor to execute it) bas…

Every non-European country I visit very specifically asks me ‘are you going to be working’ every time I visit.

I think they do this for the quite clever reason that then if you work they can get you for lying to an official rather just for working.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by myohmy »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #561
dcgudeman wrote: post #556

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Why?

because supply and demand matter, and units that are AirBnB'ed are taken off the market for long term rentals, leading to rents for locals rising higher than trend. Even given that in the perfect economy construction would keep up with demand, there is a ~5-10 year lag between demand signal and correction in construction (prices rise, new construction breaks ground, new construction opens, new constructions absorbs m…

You're missing the forest for the trees here. AirBnB only makes problems because we're all forced to work in designated commercial zones, and they "subverted" zoning laws.

Now we're "subverting" zoning laws by allowing people to work from rural areas or wherever. People can then use market pressures to live wherever is cheapest and has the amenities they want! That will decrease demand for hot cities and should make it easier to live in them.

Of course, that is presuming that our current demand craze has anything to do with residency at all, and isn't being driven by corporations like Blackstone buying up properties as investments, and Russian/Chinese oligarchs buying properties as wealth shelters. Funny how the Canadian market has suddenly chilled a little since the government banned foreign buyers. Must be a coincidence.

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Post by vmception »

teirce wrote: post #247
vmception wrote: post #211

> The best people live everywhere, not concentrated in one area. Meaning that the best people are nomadic because its such a common choice amongst the best people, and would be a common choice among people with a choice. This is the experience they have with recruiting, and the CEO then pretends its because of a diverse pool of people that happen to live in a variety of towns where they stay all the time. Just helpin…

Okay, sure. Since we're sharing takes, here is how I read that statement: Smart people exist outside of the SFBA. (Or Seattle. Or NYC. Or London. Or ...) As someone who is intimately familiar with geographic discrimination, this was nice to read. I grew up and went to school in the US bible belt. When sending out resumes, the only companies I ever heard back from (even a 'no thanks'!) were local, or cosmic luck (hire…

My point is that its supposed to feel good but that verbatim reading isn't really whats happening.

Over the past two years lots of people left the SFBA, Seattle, NYC etc. They didn't move to the US Bible Belt they went to islands, Miami, Austin, Southern California....

so to keep talent and get some of the other talent back, they released this statement. about nomads.

It's not about people with feeble parents and health issues that get them stuck in the midwest, or those really there by even easier choice. Maybe it will never be about them.

Its not charity, its a reaction to their own workforce.

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Post by cto_of_antifa »

robertlagrant wrote: post #400
frankfrankfrank wrote: post #333

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I propose people start reconsidering this imposed situation that exists between the people who do the work and the government, i.e. the parasitic ruling class. And to clarify, I say that as someone who is not at all “leftist” oriented, even though it may seem so at first glance of reading that to some. This situation we currently essentially globally have, at least in the west, is quite an abusive system that is real…

> that exists between the people who do the work and the government, i.e. the parasitic ruling class. And to clarify, I say that as someone who is not at all “leftist” oriented, even though it may seem so at first glance of reading that to some I definitely wouldn't say that criticising big inefficient government is a leftist talking point at all.

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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by notch656a »

chrisseaton wrote: post #583
notch656a wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been to many nations including for months and including illegally overstaying. No one gave one fuck to ask whether I was working not. The only people that have ever grilled me like this is my own country, the USA, where returning as a citizen the last time I entered I was forcibly taken to a hospital to be anally probed (with even a warrant, although after 16 hours they could not find a doctor to execute it) bas…

Every non-European country I visit very specifically asks me ‘are you going to be working’ every time I visit. I think they do this for the quite clever reason that then if you work they can get you for lying to an official rather just for working.

I'm sure some ask. The risk of being deported or caught seems incredibly low, especially if you pick a country in South America or southeast Asia. I cannot think of a nation there that ever asked me if I was working. When I was caught overstaying in Iraq they immigration guy was visibly pissed but he couldn't speak English so I juts handed him , and went on my way.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by renewiltord »

noduerme wrote: post #307

Sooo.. w/o getting into my history too deeply, my ex and I left the US in 2006 and worked freelance/remote. Wired did an article about us in 2008 living in a solar van when that was, like, unheard of. It seems like every few years a new batch of people want to try this approach, and it's always popular with the press to write about it. Sometimes it works out. I think it's a great way to live, and it teaches you a lot…

Haha, another in the genre of "the cut-off is exactly what I did - any less / any more and you're worse":

- I moved in to this place back in X. All the people after me are transplants and ruining the place.

- I stayed for X months. All these people who stay less than X are terrible.

- I drive a car of size X. All these people who drive a car of size > X are terrible.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by jen20 »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #575
dcgudeman wrote: post #556

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Why?

Not who you were asking, but I can take a stab at this. Short Term rentals of homes or condo units can erode a sense of community in an area where that's a common behavior. AirBnB renters aren't going to be around long so they have no incentive to be respectful to common areas, or respectful of noise levels or whatever else. Imagine buying a condo and all of the units around you are AirBnBs, or otherwise short term r…

> Imagine buying a condo and all of the units around you are AirBnBs

All of my recent research into condos showed any building where this could be an issue has explicit prohibition on short term rentals as part of the HOA. The more egregious HOAs even have prohibition on long-term rentals without a permit which can be denied by the HOA.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by bko »

throwawaygh wrote: post #580
bko wrote: post #570

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Apply this logic of maintaining the status quo historically. Imagine someone creates something to do (Y) with good X. Price of good X goes up due to increase demand. Consumers of good X lobby that this is bad and there should be laws to prevent good X to be used for Y. Also why are you optimizing for lower rents (as long as they are not AirBNB short term rentals)? What about the homeowners who benefit from having mor…

> Also why are you optimizing for lower rents... What about the homeowners who benefit from having more things they can do with their property? Because basic shelter is WAY lower on the hierarchy of needs than rental income, and shelter is not a need that the US is adequately meeting even for its middle class.

If you think the US should be doing more the shelter people without adequate shelter it should do so directly. Creating market distortions that purposely reduces the value of property and discourages production of the good is not the way to go. That would be like banning expensive restaurants because they're running up rent on inexpensive restaurants and soup kitchens. After all, desert is way lower on the hierarchy of needs than basic sustenance and food is not a need that the US is adequately meeting even for its middle class
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