Live data from Hacker News

The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

news.bloombergtax.com

41–50 of 220 posts

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

I think it’s interesting that you took my comment, rewrote it in your head, and responded to your made up version of what I said.

I paraphrased your comment, but I think I captured the essence of what you said accurately:

> to keep stoking the fires of the culture wars. When they get their people denouncing the opposition as “groomers”, they are achieving their objective.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#42
post #22

I think everyone is getting this wrong. This is all posturing. The Florida legislature knows perfectly well that it can never unwind Reedy Creek. But if they can make a good show of trying , then that will earn points with their base, and when the courts shut them down they can blame "activist liberal judges" for their failure, despite the fact that it was a foregone conclusion. But the perception will be that they t…

I feel like I've increasingly seen "pass legislation in bad faith that you know will be struck down" as a conservative legislative tactic (see recent abortion laws, bill curtailing voting rights) and I can't help but feel there should be some sort of consequence for consistently acting in bad faith.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not exactly it. Disney publicly criticized the new Florida “Don’t say gay” bill. And then said they’d no longer donate to FL legislature. They’d made a 50k donation to governor DeSantis in the past so it’s more about them NOT making donations. This act by Disney had to be public or it wouldn’t have had any weight. Making those donations privately probably would defeat the purpose of showing support to the legi…

Willing to bet you didn't read what the actual bill says or does. It does not say "don't say gay", it says sexual education to kids should not happen before a certain grade (3rd grade IIRC) and be age appropriate, which should be non controversial unless you have some weird notion that a 7 year old needs to be taught about sex.

Every state has a sex ed curriculum, plus every school system outside the US. By any measure: teenage pregnancies, STD rates, self-harm and suicide in connection with gender identity issues, anti-gay and anti-lesbian violence, sexual satisfaction later in life, rates of rape and other sexual violence, willingness to call out abusive behavior, and so on, the more liberal jurisdictions run circles around the christian conservative abstinence-only curricula.

Example, teen pregnancy rates, 7/1000 (New England) to 30/1000 (Louisiana): https://preview.redd.it/hjmbpqpbnkw41.png?width=640&crop=sma...

You'd think conservatives would want the same outcomes? Even abortion rates are higher in the South!

But, no, the only thing that's allowed to be divorced is their policy preferences from reality.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#44

I don’t think the elimination of the Reedy Creek district is meant to ever actually occur. The point is twofold. To send a message that dissent from the business community will not be tolerated. And, to keep stoking the fires of the culture wars. When they get their people denouncing the opposition as “groomers”, they are achieving their objective.

Quoted post unavailable.

Thanks for citing a Washington Examiner opinion piece as evidence of your assertion. Sometimes teaching kids about sexuality is meant to educate them so they don't grow up ignorant an can make informed decisions. Some people are against that.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not exactly it. Disney publicly criticized the new Florida “Don’t say gay” bill. And then said they’d no longer donate to FL legislature. They’d made a 50k donation to governor DeSantis in the past so it’s more about them NOT making donations. This act by Disney had to be public or it wouldn’t have had any weight. Making those donations privately probably would defeat the purpose of showing support to the legi…

Willing to bet you didn't read what the actual bill says or does. It does not say "don't say gay", it says sexual education to kids should not happen before a certain grade (3rd grade IIRC) and be age appropriate, which should be non controversial unless you have some weird notion that a 7 year old needs to be taught about sex.

No post body was provided.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#46
It seems easy enough to make a new special purpose entity, not controlled by Disney. Set the millage rare very high, even higher than it is today, and tax Disney very much.

Collect enough money, store it in a bank, and assign it to paying the bonds.

Then dissolve the special purpose entity once you have collected enough money from Disney, and let the only thing remain be the bank account that will stay on until the bond is over.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#48
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not exactly it. Disney publicly criticized the new Florida “Don’t say gay” bill. And then said they’d no longer donate to FL legislature. They’d made a 50k donation to governor DeSantis in the past so it’s more about them NOT making donations. This act by Disney had to be public or it wouldn’t have had any weight. Making those donations privately probably would defeat the purpose of showing support to the legi…

And just to make sure this is clear: they aren't making donations to anyone in Florida, Republicans or Democrats alike. The Republican response to this was to punish Disney. We can't know what the Democratic response would have been since Democrats aren't in charge of anything in Florida. "Keep donating or we'll punish you" is an interesting stance.

That's how the Third Reich operated.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#49
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Thanks for citing a Washington Examiner opinion piece as evidence of your assertion. Sometimes teaching kids about sexuality is meant to educate them so they don't grow up ignorant an can make informed decisions. Some people are against that.

No post body was provided.

Re: The Contractual Impossibility of Unwinding Disney’s Reedy Creek

#50
post #22

I think everyone is getting this wrong. This is all posturing. The Florida legislature knows perfectly well that it can never unwind Reedy Creek. But if they can make a good show of trying , then that will earn points with their base, and when the courts shut them down they can blame "activist liberal judges" for their failure, despite the fact that it was a foregone conclusion. But the perception will be that they t…

> All of the liberals celebrating Disney's imminent "victory" are completely missing this bigger picture.

The optics of this…and things like the Musk/Twitter hand wringing serves a single purpose: It’s forcing the Democratic Party to start making 180 degree public shifts of some of their classic positions on things like large corporate sweetheart deals and limits on free speech/censorship. Right now, the progressive left and the Democratic Party seems to more closely resemble the moral majority right of the ‘80s and ‘90s than the Democratic Party of the last 50 years at least in adherence to a specific dogma with very little if any tolerance for contrary opinion.

I think its sad. Its driving liberals out of the Democratic Party because this new breed of progressive leftist is definitely not liberal.

Post reply on HN