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Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by rmasters »

fxtentacle wrote: post #122
lucasyvas wrote: post #83

This shouldn't be flagged...

I flagged it because it appears to be written to mostly elicit outrage, as opposed to informing the reader. For example the headline "Mom smokes, so it's probably okay" and then 8 paragraphs of lead-up to the argument that the Go standard library has an inelegant IP type. Afterwards the author equates people using custom types to "build a whole new type system". "Evidently, the Go team didn't want to design a languag…

Are those issues really so egregious? There is a tremendous amount of content geared towards "informing the reader" and I'd prefer to draw my own conclusions about the author's intent rather than having a censor (who is assuming bad-faith) try to protect me from a rather mild rant (in my opinion).

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by metadat »

lalaithion wrote: post #136
metadat wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Javascript is single threaded run loop.

Concurrency is not parallelism: https://go.dev/blog/waza-talk#:~:text=In%20programming%2C%20... .

>read from multiple queues at the same time

Agreed, and things happening "at the same time" are possible only with parallelism. Hence my question =)

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by draxil »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #98

The author writes well and makes compelling points. His "I want to get off Mr Golang's Wild Ride" post is good too. But I don't find myself agreeing with his position, which is "you shouldn't use Go for production services" (he explicitly says this in one of his Go posts, I forget which one and don't have time to look right now). The better alternative to Go is Rust. Okay, sure, I'm willing to admit that in the examp…

Definitely.

Go and Rust both have strengths and weaknesses.

And I think they both have a love/hate dynamic because they make pretty strong choices in their own ways, and so people react strongly in response. Personally I'm a fan of both.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by Thaxll »

busterarm wrote: post #117
streblo wrote: post #56

I didn't care in the last post and I don't care about this one either. I care about my productivity, I care about my team's productivity, and I care about getting stuff shipped. Those are the things I care about, and go works great for that. If you care about those things too, and you're using go, you shouldn't stop using go. My whole career people have been telling me to stop using languages or tools I've been produ…

I use Go. I'm not a Rustacean. I've also used a whole bunch of things that are not Go. In reading this article, I'm finding myself agreeing with 100% of the author's criticisms. I've seen every specific problem mentioned be a thing that bogs companies I've worked for down and erode productivity. A lot of time the ops peoples' (aka: my) productivity specifically. I haven't worked at a single company where teams of dev…

"Why are my TCP connections not closing? Why am I encountering port exhaustion?"

This has nothing to do with Go. You're implying Go has a bug in its TCP implementation which I assume is false.

Networking works just fine in Go and it's actually easy to use.

https://pkg.go.dev/net

Edit: I'm getting downvoted but please share with TCP issues in Go.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by eatonphil »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #169
mcluck wrote: post #105

I'm honestly surprised at the response to this article. I'm not involved in the Rust or Go spaces enough to have any strong opinions. This article was, yes, a little aggressive in tone but presented very honest and accurate information about a language that the author clearly has experience in. It seems like a lot of the people complaining in the comments didn't actually read the article. The author even explains how…

This is the second day in a row where a post about Go in a negative light was flagged. The first one was an extremely detailed criticism, maintained the front page, and was flagged like crazy. What gives?

Could you link? I must have missed it.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by sph »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #169
mcluck wrote: post #105

I'm honestly surprised at the response to this article. I'm not involved in the Rust or Go spaces enough to have any strong opinions. This article was, yes, a little aggressive in tone but presented very honest and accurate information about a language that the author clearly has experience in. It seems like a lot of the people complaining in the comments didn't actually read the article. The author even explains how…

This is the second day in a row where a post about Go in a negative light was flagged. The first one was an extremely detailed criticism, maintained the front page, and was flagged like crazy. What gives?

This is the second day in a row where a post about Go _from the same blog_ has been posted. I think that's enough, especially since it's mostly a knee jerk reaction from that very HN post from yesterday.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by hsnewman »

biorach wrote: post #111
ibejoeb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Portland Oregon, the capital of grunge, coffee, poor weather and whiteness it's kinda a shitpost

It's sarcasm, dumb humor - not trying to be inflammatory, or provocative - i.e. not shitposting. And let's face it, Portland kinda takes itself too seriously.

I moved from Austin TEXAS to Portland to get away from the heat and forced conservitism. I also moved to Portland for the weather (cool and wet vs hot as hell and dry). I don't have to use my air conditioner!

As for Portland taking itself too seriously, are you serious? Portland has so many quirky things that the conservative states don't have(much less putting walls up and making some people, making 2nd class citizens ((yes, voting rights)), and you say Portland is too serious? Good luck with that gaslight.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

eatonphil wrote: post #175
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the second day in a row where a post about Go in a negative light was flagged. The first one was an extremely detailed criticism, maintained the front page, and was flagged like crazy. What gives?

Could you link? I must have missed it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by sph »

rmasters wrote: post #151

Flagging this post strikes me as shameful censorship of an unpopular opinion. You may say it's the snark/anger/frustration that got flagged, but I suspect it would not have been flagged if the topic were different. Presuming the author is making bad-faith arguments for internet blog points goes against the spirit of HN. I prefer to draw my own conclusions, thank you. I normally expect HN to take the higher ground wit…

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Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by oicU00 »

mcluck wrote: post #105

I'm honestly surprised at the response to this article. I'm not involved in the Rust or Go spaces enough to have any strong opinions. This article was, yes, a little aggressive in tone but presented very honest and accurate information about a language that the author clearly has experience in. It seems like a lot of the people complaining in the comments didn't actually read the article. The author even explains how…

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