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There Is No CD Revival

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Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by l72 »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #47
mtts wrote: post #27

The revival we need, urgently, is of recorded music income Why? That ship has sailed. In 2022, as in 1922, 1822, 1722 etc musicians will have to earn their income by playing live.

The thing with CDs today is that they are merchandise, as with cassettes or vinyl or whatever. You don't buy them to listen to them, but to have them. I think this understanding is crucially necessary for musicians hopping on this "trend". Like they could make action figures or mood rings or whatever. What the fans want are buying is a tangible thing , a keepsake. So first they need an actual fan-base that may be int…

Agreed. I think this is why vinyl has taken off. It is much more physical then a CD. The artwork is larger and it just feels more personable. You have to be much more careful with it, and listening to it is a bigger investment. And a collection of vinyl looks great.

I think a similar trend has happened with books. Certainly, e-readers are awesome. But for some things, you really want to have a physical copy. And in that case, a hardback is way better than a paperback. It is a long term keepsake and looks nice on your shelf.

I think for many people, their collection of music, books, or other items allows them to show off their personality to their guests. When I go to someone's house, if they have a large bookshelf, I love to look through it to get an idea of their interests. It can be great conversation starters. You can't do that with purely digital media.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by throwaway894345 »

Jaruzel wrote: post #45

I still buy Music CDs. Why? Because once I have the disc in my hand, no-one can legally take it away from me. I can enjoy the contents legally until I'm dead, all for a single one-off payment with no-expiry. However, my households use of streaming media (mainly Spotify) has increased for 'casual' listening, so I think there is a balance, and I hope that buying physical media for music wont disappear completely any ti…

On the one hand, you seem to (understandably) take great pride in the legal ownership of your CDs, but on the other hand, you're almost certainly breaking the law by ripping them. How do you feel about that?

I have the same conflict with DVDs/BluRay. I want to play by the rules and pay for the media I enjoy, but it's absurd that it's illegal for me to rip the content that I've lawfully purchased for my own consumption.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by layer8 »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #82
Jaruzel wrote: post #45

I still buy Music CDs. Why? Because once I have the disc in my hand, no-one can legally take it away from me. I can enjoy the contents legally until I'm dead, all for a single one-off payment with no-expiry. However, my households use of streaming media (mainly Spotify) has increased for 'casual' listening, so I think there is a balance, and I hope that buying physical media for music wont disappear completely any ti…

On the one hand, you seem to (understandably) take great pride in the legal ownership of your CDs, but on the other hand, you're almost certainly breaking the law by ripping them. How do you feel about that? I have the same conflict with DVDs/BluRay. I want to play by the rules and pay for the media I enjoy, but it's absurd that it's illegal for me to rip the content that I've lawfully purchased for my own consumptio…

Ripping CDs for your own personal use is not illegal, as CDs have no copy protection mechanism that you would be circumventing.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by layer8 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #50
ChrisLomont wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CD format doesn't support DRM. Extremely few CDs tried to fiddle to add it by adding errors, but modern readers aren't stopped from reading the audio. CDs are pure audio data with error correction.

There's the whole Sony rootkit fiasco that shows that record labels have tried to put DRM on CD's. I have no idea how many continued to try, but if they did bypassing it is a crime, even if it's trivial to bypass. The DMCA is dumb.

You can always play back the CD in a CD player with digital audio out and record the digital signal using an appropriate 44.1 kHz capable sound card, resulting in more or less a bit-perfect copy. That’s not bypassing DRM, because you’re just using regular consumer audio devices for their intended purpose.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by Jaruzel »

layer8 wrote: post #83
throwaway894345 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, you seem to (understandably) take great pride in the legal ownership of your CDs, but on the other hand, you're almost certainly breaking the law by ripping them. How do you feel about that? I have the same conflict with DVDs/BluRay. I want to play by the rules and pay for the media I enjoy, but it's absurd that it's illegal for me to rip the content that I've lawfully purchased for my own consumptio…

Ripping CDs for your own personal use is not illegal, as CDs have no copy protection mechanism that you would be circumventing.

Unfortunately here in the UK that isn't true. It's technically illegal. See my other comment in the thread about it.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by throwaway894345 »

layer8 wrote: post #83
throwaway894345 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, you seem to (understandably) take great pride in the legal ownership of your CDs, but on the other hand, you're almost certainly breaking the law by ripping them. How do you feel about that? I have the same conflict with DVDs/BluRay. I want to play by the rules and pay for the media I enjoy, but it's absurd that it's illegal for me to rip the content that I've lawfully purchased for my own consumptio…

Ripping CDs for your own personal use is not illegal, as CDs have no copy protection mechanism that you would be circumventing.

Oh, I didn't realize CDs didn't have copy protection? Why would they not? From the RIAA's perspective, isn't that just a way to double charge customers like the MPAA does?

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by i80and »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #86
layer8 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ripping CDs for your own personal use is not illegal, as CDs have no copy protection mechanism that you would be circumventing.

Oh, I didn't realize CDs didn't have copy protection? Why would they not? From the RIAA's perspective, isn't that just a way to double charge customers like the MPAA does?

There were attempts, but audio CDs were specced in 1980, and nobody was ever able to sell breaking compatibility with the existing (substantial) CD player ecosystem.

There's a summary of the context here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_and_DVD_copy_prot...

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by tonetheman »

I am actively looking to purchase on CD still and have gotten even more so as I have gotten older. Renting music from online services sucks. So I want to own the CD and I can rip and do what I please with it.

This is especially true for musicians. I want to be able to slow the music down or manipulate it which cannot be done with online music.

So for me CDs are a better choice and getting better.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by andjd »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #86
layer8 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ripping CDs for your own personal use is not illegal, as CDs have no copy protection mechanism that you would be circumventing.

Oh, I didn't realize CDs didn't have copy protection? Why would they not? From the RIAA's perspective, isn't that just a way to double charge customers like the MPAA does?

CDs are older than DVDs, and when they were released there would have been no digital way to copy them. It makes sense that the DRM wouldn't have occurred to the developers of the format.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

coldtea wrote: post #32

> I don’t think any of the writers or outlets publishing these headlines are out to mislead. But none of them seem to have consulted anyone actually trying to sell CDs, either Nobody even bothered to read the original source report, much less make sense of it, or even gave the article they wrote a minute's thought. They saw the story somewhere else (perhaps got it from a wire service too), and rewrote it just enough…

You're being a little harsh, but essentially correct.

I worked at a newspaper for about five years, even wrote a weekly column for a couple. Lemme tell you, coming up with something interesting to say every week is really hard.

"CD sales are up a tick? Oh, something to write about, which incidentally is my job, thank god." That's it.

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