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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Big cities are by nature cosmopolitan, it’s very strange to say only some people “belong” and others don’t. Would you prefer the world isolate into pockets of belonging based on generational inheritance as it has been and we crank back globalization? Certainly there are growing pains, but I would view more globalization as the direction we want to go.

> Big cities are by nature cosmopolitan but most rich tech workers, especially from US, especially from SV, are not. It's time to accept it. We don't want them. Not at this rate, not at these (their) conditions. They only bring problems. One thing is immigrants coming to work, another thing entirely is people that go somewhere because "it's cheap" or "it's beautiful" but work and pay taxes elsewhere. They also have t…

> Cosmpolitan it's not synonym for "colony".

Of course it's not, but characterizing tech workers in foreign cities as "colonizing" makes little sense, even if the various problems you're pointing to can be laid entirely at their feet (which, without knowing enough about Rome to have a high degree of confidence, I would suspect is inaccurate, you could just as easily be describing general gentrification which has good and bad components).

All in all this attitude seems to me to be more or less typical NIMBY-ism, just with a focus on tech workers likely due to your purview (we're on hackernews after all). And to be sure NIMBY-ism is not usually without good reason, it's absolutely a worthwhile and reasonable goal to preserve culture you hold as valuable, and indeed in the case of Rome there is some very special culture there worth preserving. But it should be noted that change is inevitable, and cultural isolation is not a reasonable way to accomplish this goal conducive to the kind of world we want to have (or I should say I want to have, highly mobile and integrated so your origins have little bearing on your potential trajectories, much more unified than it is today as a species rather than provincial squabbling).

Rather we want solutions wherein people can move freely and be accepted wherever they go, while also preserving cultures and spreading economic benefits in a more efficient way. For instance better taxation so nomads pay taxes where they are not where they're from.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I'm not an immigration/tax lawyer and could be completely wrong but if you're from EU/US/UK/AUS etc I'm fairly sure you can work in another one of those countries for up to 90 days (and sometimes upto 183) without paying tax there or getting a work visa - as long as you're still resident and being paid in your home country under the Visa Waiver program. I've worked in NY offices and got paid in UK (admittedly a while…

Many others have chimed in, but this is very important to highlight. Meeting with clients, going to conference, having important meetings, these are things we consider work. However, from the eyes of the law, these are temporary things that need to be done in person for business that has already occurred. That is, if you come to a conference, meet a potential client, and then set up a sales meeting before you leave,…

> ...Of course, these laws never foresaw technological progress and so the world governments look the other way because they do not know how/what to enforce...

Other than the current scale of activity, the law has no "never foresaw technolo..." excuse for failing to cover such things. Centuries ago, it was perfectly normal for authors, composers, painters, etc. to travel to and work in other countries - "for their health" as they worked on their next masterpiece, or for inspiration, or to give paid lectures, or to perform or conduct music, or to paint portraits of locals, or several of those things.

It'd be rather interesting if a lawyer or few (who were fond of dusty tomes) did some real research on how those activities were handled back in the day, the old case law, etc.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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A week of travel a quarter is not at all unusual for a lot of professional jobs including people with families. In fact, for a fair number of jobs, that would be considered not a lot of travel.

I used to travel every 6 weeks in my 20s for work and it was fine. I won’t travel at all now and it’s also fine. People will figure out what works for them, there will continue to be high paying jobs that are flexible.

Absolutely. There are consultants who pretty much live on the road and there are people who basically don't travel at all. Personally, I hit being away about 50% of the year at peak (including vacation). I doubt if I'll ever hit that again.

If they can, people should find something that works for them because they'll probably hate it otherwise.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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If you're a renter this is squatter bait. You better know the squatter rules before ever considering doing rentals off the books like that.

I don't follow

Doing rentals to tenants without a paper trail would allow them to claim squatter's rights, which are a nightmare for landlords.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Big cities are by nature cosmopolitan, it’s very strange to say only some people “belong” and others don’t. Would you prefer the world isolate into pockets of belonging based on generational inheritance as it has been and we crank back globalization? Certainly there are growing pains, but I would view more globalization as the direction we want to go.

> Big cities are by nature cosmopolitan but most rich tech workers, especially from US, especially from SV, are not. It's time to accept it. We don't want them. Not at this rate, not at these (their) conditions. They only bring problems. One thing is immigrants coming to work, another thing entirely is people that go somewhere because "it's cheap" or "it's beautiful" but work and pay taxes elsewhere. They also have t…

> Cosmpolitan it's not synonym for "colony".

Cosmopolitanism is historically largely a consequence of colonialism, and the draw of labor (both cheap mass and elite skilled) from the peripheries to the core.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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In the EU and FoM countries you're still supposed to pay social contributions where you work. There are many complex rules for people who are regularly on the road (like truck drivers, artists on tour) and dispatched workers, but as the average tech worker you can definitely get your employer in trouble if you work more than 20% outside the country of employment. That's why cross-border commuters can't work from home…

The 20% rule only applies to Switzerland and the "Doppelbesteuerungsabkommen" with the neighbor countries or EU. This was the reason I quit my job in switzerland and moved back to germany (without taking a huge pay cut ;), more vacation days and only 35hour/week), now the 183day rule for social contributions and tax apply as long as I live in germany. So now I can work from portugal during winter :)

>without taking a huge pay cut ;), more vacation days and only 35hour/week

Would you mind sharing in which area) industry one can get such a good deal in Germany? All i found was 40h/week, some with overtime.

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Ive worked for a coding bootcamp since before covid. We used to be in person only and Ive gotten to see the ups and downs of the full-remote transition for at this point hundreds of jr devs entering the field. Long story short everything I thought would get negative blowback or go up in flames didnt. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and it never does. Our students work through around 1000 hours of computer s…

i think academia's future is remote. school too - especially if people want to travel nomadically. Academia has actually had this model for a long time - people moving with their families for postdocs every few years and keeping in touch remotely with old colleagues

while this sentiment may be popular here, there are numerous, well-understood and well-documented benefits of human interaction that are not possible via a screen.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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> I don’t think they even try to get work visas. A lot of countries have tourist visas up to 90 days. And if you go to a country to work there, but are not paid by a local company, you are basically a tourist. this has been discussed to death on DN forums. Basically yes you're breaking the law but if you don't get caught no one will know. Some people don't like taking this risk while some don't mind.

Well traveling within the EU should be simple enough. Haven't done it outside but I have a few questions. If I'm on paid leave, I'm still earning money, and I go to Asia - am I breaking the law? I'm still "doing" the activity that's earning me money. If I'm on my paid leave, and fiddle with my blog, which gets ad revenue - am I earning money and thus doing illegal economic activity? Not a lawyer so would love a more…

to test your theory, i invite you to present this exact scenario to border officials anywhere in the world. This is not meant as a snarky comment but a very literal statement. If you are turned around and refused entry, what you plan to do is illegal.

As already mentioned, “Asia” is not a legal or political entity.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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I don't think is true for the Schengen zone/Schengen adjacent countries. I'm a musician and have toured Western Europe a couple of times (and know a lot of others who have). Apart from the UK noone I know ever gets working visas, and this is never a problem crossing borders honestly saying to immigration that we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise.

> we're there on tour in a van full of music equipment and merchandise There are separate arrangements for touring groups. However, if you're not from the EU then good luck. You'll notice that there are huge complications after brexit. That said, likely nobody will check, care or notice.

Sorry should have clarified, I'm not from the EU. This is on an Australian passport on the visa waiver program, and American friends have had the same experience (including some biggish bands who tour Europe a couple of times a year).

Maybe it's a "noone cares" thing, but this includes some American friends who were caught with weed in their tour van at the Norwegian border and still didn't have any visa issues (and somehow still managed to get into the country!)

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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First world -- NATO member states Second world -- Warsaw Pact member states Third world -- all other states

Some dude coined these terms, and they caught on for a while during the cold war. Third world typically being of little interest to first and second, and often poor. So eventually "third world" came to just mean "poor countries". After all, there has now been as much time, post WWII, without the cold war, as there was with one!

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