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Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by ericbarrett »

JyB wrote: post #8
zozbot234 wrote: post #2

What's up with the anti-Golang shitposts lately? I liked fasterthanlime better when he didn't just sound like a card-carrying Rust zealot. This isn't even about the practicalities of his argument really; optics matter, and it's especially bad since the Rust community used to be known for its politeness and always being fair to other language communities.

From the outside the Rust community seems so defensive about Go that it makes me very reluctant to dive deeper into Rust.

I use both & like both. Ignore the noise!

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by kitd »

The author obviously doesn't like Go. Ok, he can have his own opinions.

I've been coding professionally since 1987, using everything from mainframe assembler, Fortran, C, VB, Java, C++, to most recently Go. IMHO, the language itself plays a smaller role in its usefulness than most think. As important is the tooling, stdlib, ecosystem, community and "StackOverflow"-ability.

Go has a few warts, like every language, but not that many, and they are more than made up for by how easy it is to assemble and run a project using it. It's that that makes it the most productive language I've used so far.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by asxc11 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #2

What's up with the anti-Golang shitposts lately? I liked fasterthanlime better when he didn't just sound like a card-carrying Rust zealot. This isn't even about the practicalities of his argument really; optics matter, and it's especially bad since the Rust community used to be known for its politeness and always being fair to other language communities.

I might not agree with fasterthanlime's opinion on Go (9/10 times I would opt to use Go over Rust), but calling this post a "shitpost" is unnecessarily dismissive. The post, like his previous post on Go, contain well thought out points that add to the discussion at the very least. Also I like his sense of humour :)

Edit: though, I suppose saying Go is not designed is also equally unnecessarily dismissive and hyperbolic.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by rob74 »

jamesmunns wrote: post #5
zozbot234 wrote: post #2

What's up with the anti-Golang shitposts lately? I liked fasterthanlime better when he didn't just sound like a card-carrying Rust zealot. This isn't even about the practicalities of his argument really; optics matter, and it's especially bad since the Rust community used to be known for its politeness and always being fair to other language communities.

The last time his "I want off" article was reposted[0], the comments were pretty rough, ranging from ad-hom attacks to (at best) misunderstandings of the arguments he was making. I see this article being an address to these criticisms (which are not limited to this forum, I've seen similar arguments on twitter, etc.). Pointing out shortcomings isn't really impolite or unfair. The author specifically mentioned shortco…

Pointing out shortcomings isn't impolite - writing that Go wasn't designed, but happened by accident is however (IMHO).

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

rob74 wrote: post #10

Oh no, here we go again. So you don't like Go (no idea what this "golang" thing is everybody keeps talking about)? That's cool! You don't have to write yet another blog post saying that you really, really don't like it, with more strawman arguments and again quoting that quoted-to-death quote by Rob Pike about Go being designed for stupid developers, we got you the first time!

I'd just to point out that I think fanboys are not that useful and you have the right to don't read the article as much as he has the right to write it..

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by tomlin »

rob74 wrote: post #10

Oh no, here we go again. So you don't like Go (no idea what this "golang" thing is everybody keeps talking about)? That's cool! You don't have to write yet another blog post saying that you really, really don't like it, with more strawman arguments and again quoting that quoted-to-death quote by Rob Pike about Go being designed for stupid developers, we got you the first time!

I dunno, aren't you just as guilty of not moving on? If Go is garbage, you defending it isn't going to suddenly correct that. Also, it's called golang because that's what a lot of people call it (i.e. https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/)

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by wara23arish »

Im a go noobie so I had a question about the following.

> Go's lack of support for immutable data — the only way to prevent something from being mutated is to only hand out copies of it, and to be very careful to not mutate it in the code that actually has access to the inner bits.

I thought everything was handed out as copies in go by default unless a pointer was being passed. So this would make it “easy” to tell whether you are mutating a object or not.

would appreciate if anyone can clear that up for me.

side notes:

since Im still a junior, not too interested in language wars and feel like everything i touch i learn something from no matter how old/new it is.

honestly, i would never have the confidence to critic this in that fashion. i cant convince myself that i know enough about language design/systems to critic anything that harshly.

maybe its my shortcoming as a junior :)

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by zozbot234 »

asxc11 wrote: post #13
zozbot234 wrote: post #2

What's up with the anti-Golang shitposts lately? I liked fasterthanlime better when he didn't just sound like a card-carrying Rust zealot. This isn't even about the practicalities of his argument really; optics matter, and it's especially bad since the Rust community used to be known for its politeness and always being fair to other language communities.

I might not agree with fasterthanlime's opinion on Go (9/10 times I would opt to use Go over Rust), but calling this post a "shitpost" is unnecessarily dismissive. The post, like his previous post on Go, contain well thought out points that add to the discussion at the very least. Also I like his sense of humour :) Edit: though, I suppose saying Go is not designed is also equally unnecessarily dismissive and hyperbol…

Well-thought out, how? It's flogging a dead horse in a transparent, deliberate attempt to create controversy and flamebait. That's a shitpost pretty much by definition.

Re: Lies we tell ourselves to keep using Golang

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Post by heffer »

rob74 wrote: post #10

Oh no, here we go again. So you don't like Go (no idea what this "golang" thing is everybody keeps talking about)? That's cool! You don't have to write yet another blog post saying that you really, really don't like it, with more strawman arguments and again quoting that quoted-to-death quote by Rob Pike about Go being designed for stupid developers, we got you the first time!

> no idea what this "golang" thing is everybody keeps talking about

The Go FAQ can help you understand where this is coming from: https://go.dev/doc/faq#go_or_golang

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