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There Is No CD Revival

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Re: There Is No CD Revival

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in the UK, it's currently illegal - the High Court ruled in favour of the Musicians Union back 2015, and it's yet to be overturned (again). The distinction is, that while it's NOT illegal to copy a CD to another format, it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it, be it music, spoken word, written documents, videos or photos etc.

>it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it That can't be true. It would mean doing backups are effectively illegal (can only backup your own files, not programs or the OS or any other files not created by oneself)

Unfortunately it is true.

Explained in the last paragraph of this section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping#United_Kingdom

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#52
Revival or not, I keep buying CDs from all artists I care about.

I own a copy of the music, and can put it in any device I own capable of reproducing it.

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#53
post #45

I still buy Music CDs. Why? Because once I have the disc in my hand, no-one can legally take it away from me. I can enjoy the contents legally until I'm dead, all for a single one-off payment with no-expiry. However, my households use of streaming media (mainly Spotify) has increased for 'casual' listening, so I think there is a balance, and I hope that buying physical media for music wont disappear completely any ti…

There are a few good providers of lossless audio files, so you can get still get a lossless, DRM free version of your music to own forever without having to have a printed CD. The two that I frequent are:

- bandcamp.com - mostly indie, but I've actually purchased a few more "mainstream" artists from here in the last couple years. - hdtracks.com - have a wide selection, but tend to be pretty pricey.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#54
post #2

Many times, buying the CD and ripping it to FLAC* is the only way to legally acquire* music for use with your computer. * It must be lossless and high quality. * It must work offline.

FYI not this format shifting was legal in the UK but was made illegal again (a few years back), seemingly at the request of media companies. Programmes like iTunes appear to be unlawful as they enable and encourage this infringement. UK copyright law isn't fit for it's alleged purpose.

> UK copyright law isn't fit for it's alleged purpose.

This is true of copyright law everywhere.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#55
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iTunes music has been DRM free since 2009 (with some exceptions, probably).

Was that retroactively applied? Because my music from pre-2009 remained DRM'd, but maybe I just needed to re-download them. On top of that, it was all AAC, and I regularly had to convert the files to be usable anywhere but Apple's products. It became such a chore, that I gave up on the Apple music ecosystem entirely, and I don't really have any regrets about it.

Same here. I had 2 or 3 ipods back in the day and loved it although they had a tendency to fail on me. Eventually, I decided to remove my paid-for downloads off of my ipod. That is when I discovered Apple's DRM and the fact that iTunes was a totally closed universe. I had to abandon all my tunes and I was very mad. That was maybe 2007ish? I have not owned another Apple product of any kind since. They lost me for life not that it seems to have hurt them any.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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The author, Damon Krukowski, recently did an interesting interview on Bloomberg's Odd Lots about streaming music services and basically how they screw over small time musicians:

> Earlier this year, there was a growing movement among some musicians (lead by Neil Young) to remove music from Spotify as a protest against Joe Rogan. But frustration at the streaming music giant goes back a lot further than that. And it has to do with how royalties are paid, and the lack of transparency about how music gets discovered on the service. On this episode of Odd Lots, Tracy Alloway and Joe Weisenthal speak with Damon Krukowsky, the former drummer of the indie rock band Galaxie 500, and one half of the duo Damon and Naomi. He gives us his perception of industry economics, and explains his frustration as an independent musician with how the service works.

* https://play.acast.com/s/oddlots/ee1d1ad6-b109-11ec-b00b-0f6...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damon_Krukowski

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#57
post #45

I still buy Music CDs. Why? Because once I have the disc in my hand, no-one can legally take it away from me. I can enjoy the contents legally until I'm dead, all for a single one-off payment with no-expiry. However, my households use of streaming media (mainly Spotify) has increased for 'casual' listening, so I think there is a balance, and I hope that buying physical media for music wont disappear completely any ti…

There are a few good providers of lossless audio files, so you can get still get a lossless, DRM free version of your music to own forever without having to have a printed CD. The two that I frequent are: - bandcamp.com - mostly indie, but I've actually purchased a few more "mainstream" artists from here in the last couple years. - hdtracks.com - have a wide selection, but tend to be pretty pricey.

I was pleasantly surprised recently with Merge Records. I bought a few lps and they came with digital downloads of mp3 and flac!

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#58
post #12

And yet the author uses figures to also generate a false dichotomy. Just because a gap in income might be wider does not mean everyone is worse off, it is not a zero sum game. There is now far more music variety available than ever before, and I'm sure it's more and more difficult to stand out. What has probably been lost is some word of mouth for music, the algorithms have taken much of that over for better or worse…

> And yet the author uses figures to also generate a false dichotomy. Just because a gap in income might be wider does not mean everyone is worse off, it is not a zero sum game.

It is, in fact, zero sum. Spotify puts the money for music streaming into a pot and payouts out proportionally to how much time a particular artists is listened to. Given there (a) a finite amount of money in the pot, and (b) a finite amount of time that people can listen to Spotify (per person, and cumulatively), it stands to reasons there's only so much 'pie' that can be sliced. Listening more to one artist means listening less to another, thus one artist gets paid more than another

Add to this that Spotify is creating/contracting music itself, such that is is both distributor and "artist", thus paying money out of the pot to itself.[1] Further Spotify controls the recommendation system, so it can send people to its own music, thus increasing the money it pays itself.

[1] https://variety.com/2017/biz/news/spotify-denies-creating-fa...

The author of the linked HN article, Damon Krukowski, recently did an interesting interview on Bloomberg's Odd Lots about streaming music services and basically how they screw over small time musicians:

> Earlier this year, there was a growing movement among some musicians (lead by Neil Young) to remove music from Spotify as a protest against Joe Rogan. But frustration at the streaming music giant goes back a lot further than that. And it has to do with how royalties are paid, and the lack of transparency about how music gets discovered on the service. On this episode of Odd Lots, Tracy Alloway and Joe Weisenthal speak with Damon Krukowsky, the former drummer of the indie rock band Galaxie 500, and one half of the duo Damon and Naomi. He gives us his perception of industry economics, and explains his frustration as an independent musician with how the service works.

* https://play.acast.com/s/oddlots/ee1d1ad6-b109-11ec-b00b-0f6...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damon_Krukowski

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few good providers of lossless audio files, so you can get still get a lossless, DRM free version of your music to own forever without having to have a printed CD. The two that I frequent are: - bandcamp.com - mostly indie, but I've actually purchased a few more "mainstream" artists from here in the last couple years. - hdtracks.com - have a wide selection, but tend to be pretty pricey.

I was pleasantly surprised recently with Merge Records. I bought a few lps and they came with digital downloads of mp3 and flac!

I like this trend with LPs. You get a physical totem and lossless digital copies.

I bought some Peter Gabriel records and they came with a code for downloading multiple formats including huge, lossless. And the site for one wasn’t working because it was too old and I had to email someone. But an actual human responded and send me a code to the new site.

Not sure if that’s just for RealWorld or for all Geffen LPs.

I think this is a good model where you get some limited release physical world thing and then the digital version to go along.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#60
post #21

If I'm buying physical media in 2022 that I actually need to find from a shelf and put into a player it either needs to be of higher quality than the digital option or have something else going for it. Thus, it's LP's for music in my case. The cover art alone is worth it. For movies and TV, I have the cream of the crop on physical Bluray or DVD, the ones that I want to see even if there is a license pissing contest b…

Ok, I guess the "something else going for it" differs from person to person. I grew up with LPs too, but I don't have a lot of nostalgia for them. All the ceremony of carefully taking a record out of its sleeve, checking for dust, putting it on the record player etc. is too much hassle for me. A CD I can just pop in the good old stereo I have sitting on my desk and listen to it, or rip it and copy the files to my pho…

There are only about a few dozen records in the world worthy of the ceremony to me, to be honest.

They're the ones you can listen from start to beginning in order every time. The ones you never get bored of and if you do, you have a need to listen to them again pretty soon.

The chance of me grabbing an LP off the shelf and listening to 6 Underground by the Sneaker Pimps from their Becoming X album is exactly is zero. It's a banger yes, but the rest of the album is decidedly not worthy of the ceremony.

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