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Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Re: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Post by AvocadoPanic »

jleyank wrote: post #12
adamrezich wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if we'll ever get over the hump in human development of assuming "bigotry" as the root cause of everything bad in the world. obviously it exists, but the world is more nuanced than "bigots ruin everything for non-bigots" being the core of every issue . by no means is it a mystery as to how we got here, but still, it's disappointing that we seem to have sort of high-centered on this false idea that unlimited…

Bigotry is a piece of jargon meaning “those who hate them ”. What else do you call somebody burning a religious book for the sole purpose of generating a response? Would you prefer fascist? Nihilistic performance artist? There is no sane way to defend these actions, so those offended by what I’m writing must be nuts or participants frustrated on being outed. And it’s quite disappointing the right wing leaning of at l…

Watching others burn books you hold sacred is one of the costs of admission to western civilization. Certainly the French have had to watch whole churches burn.

If you're unable to be civilized there are plenty of places where this sort of response is acceptable.

Perhaps a draw the prophet contest next.

Re: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Post by arinlen »

jleyank wrote: post #12
adamrezich wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if we'll ever get over the hump in human development of assuming "bigotry" as the root cause of everything bad in the world. obviously it exists, but the world is more nuanced than "bigots ruin everything for non-bigots" being the core of every issue . by no means is it a mystery as to how we got here, but still, it's disappointing that we seem to have sort of high-centered on this false idea that unlimited…

Bigotry is a piece of jargon meaning “those who hate them ”. What else do you call somebody burning a religious book for the sole purpose of generating a response? Would you prefer fascist? Nihilistic performance artist? There is no sane way to defend these actions, so those offended by what I’m writing must be nuts or participants frustrated on being outed. And it’s quite disappointing the right wing leaning of at l…

> Bigotry is a piece of jargon meaning “those who hate them”. What else do you call somebody burning a religious book for the sole purpose of generating a response? Would you prefer fascist? Nihilistic performance artist?

Regardless of what you wish to call a random guy who feels compelled to mishandle a religious book, why do you feel this warrants massive riots which extend for days and target society as a whole?

And what reaction do you think these massive riots draws from a whole country regarding the presence of these problematic communities of asylum-seekers-turned-rioters? Do you think a person who grew up embracing the founding principles of a liberal democracy will look at their private and public property being attacked and destroyed and come out thinking that their community benefits from the presence of these newly-arrived rioters?

Re: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Post by usrn »

reallybiteshu wrote: post #10

How can he state the obvious like that? Better ban his Reddit account, his twitter account, remove his comments, etc.

I wonder if people are actually going to start acknowledging reality. That would be an incredible improvement.

Re: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Post by throwawaymanbot »

peepop6 wrote: post #6

This was obvious from the start just looking at their refugee numbers and the fact that they didn't have enough experience with immigration. This whole thing is a bit of a mindfuck for me because I can't find any logical reason for what Sweden has done. I think the government has actually acted out of pure humanity and accepted so many refugees without thinking through any of it and now they're paying the price. Comp…

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Re: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Post by benchtobedside »

reallybiteshu wrote: post #10

How can he state the obvious like that? Better ban his Reddit account, his twitter account, remove his comments, etc.

> How can he state the obvious like that? Better ban his Reddit account, his twitter account, remove his comments, etc.

Worth noting that Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson is female and has been in power since 2021; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalena_Andersson

Re: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Post by Ekaros »

peepop6 wrote: post #6

This was obvious from the start just looking at their refugee numbers and the fact that they didn't have enough experience with immigration. This whole thing is a bit of a mindfuck for me because I can't find any logical reason for what Sweden has done. I think the government has actually acted out of pure humanity and accepted so many refugees without thinking through any of it and now they're paying the price. Comp…

One could argue from Finnish immigrant population in Sweden that they had experience with immigration. But it was entirely different type of immigration. Skilled trained workers with outside language near same ethnicity and similar cultural background.

It is just that later groups were different. Not that certain ones like Vietnamese haven't integrated well enough without too many issues.

Re: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime

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Post by Gnob »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #21
jleyank wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bigotry is a piece of jargon meaning “those who hate them ”. What else do you call somebody burning a religious book for the sole purpose of generating a response? Would you prefer fascist? Nihilistic performance artist? There is no sane way to defend these actions, so those offended by what I’m writing must be nuts or participants frustrated on being outed. And it’s quite disappointing the right wing leaning of at l…

Watching others burn books you hold sacred is one of the costs of admission to western civilization. Certainly the French have had to watch whole churches burn. If you're unable to be civilized there are plenty of places where this sort of response is acceptable. Perhaps a draw the prophet contest next.

>If you're unable to be civilized there are plenty of places where this sort of response is acceptable.

I think you are misunderstanding what being civilized means.

being civilized or not has literally nothing to have with secularism or religion, you trying to make it equal to atheism is just gaslighting.

and people are going to get out, nobody is fancying your nazi crap under "Freedom of speech". people have been getting out of france, and soon will be getting out of sweden and to hell with your freedoms. You can have all the cuckery you want, just keep it inside your borders, and we will die or find a way to live holding to our religion and dignity, and to teach our kids to do so too.

one last thing, Christianity isn't Islam, period. The Muslims didn't commit war crimes, try to ethnically cleanse people or whatnot. They lived in peace with other nations and their war ethics are far better than yours. and had peace treaties and were pretty civilized, the only difference was, they were not cucks they would defend their religion and principles and honour and would die for it.

and cuckery != civility Muslims are commanded to be civilised and well behaved, go to the nearest mosque in your area, make up a reasonable or even unreasonable question about Islam, just to see how people act, do they bark or bite or are they civilised and merely hold their beliefs very dear to their hearts, you have to check for yourself, because who knows, they might actually be savages.

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