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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by jimkleiber »

digianarchist wrote: post #103
jimkleiber wrote: post #53

> While you’ll be responsible for getting proper work authorization, we’re actively partnering with local governments to make it easier for more people to travel and work around the world. Today, 20+ countries offer remote work visas, and more are in the works. While working from different locations isn’t possible for everyone, I hope everyone can benefit from this flexibility when the time is right. I think currentl…

Caveat emptor indeed. Most folks will end up working on tourist visas which is explicitly not allowed around most of the world. I work at a remote first company and HR have given a nod and a wink to this, but with the requirement that you maintain a permanent address and pay taxes in a country where they have an office.

Haha yes, exactly. However, AirBnB figured out how to change culture (and law?) to rent our homes out to strangers, maybe they'll lead the way here as well.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by paulcole »

pkdpic wrote: post #128

Ive worked for a coding bootcamp since before covid. We used to be in person only and Ive gotten to see the ups and downs of the full-remote transition for at this point hundreds of jr devs entering the field. Long story short everything I thought would get negative blowback or go up in flames didnt. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and it never does. Our students work through around 1000 hours of computer s…

> I still can't believe there's no catch

Do you believe that remote work is a net gain for society but is a net negative for many individuals?

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by asiachick »

vmception wrote: post #92
cube00 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It always annoyed me that they couldn't even be honest and say it was save rent, they had to make it seem like open floor plan was a positive thing because it "increases collaboration" It's not enough you want to be cheap but you want to make it seem like you're doing it for our benefit.

I think a lot of founders and their friends are using the office as a replacement for a healthier separate social circle and social life that they lack (a lot of people lack that, and they do too), so for them they're really just hanging out and like the potential for “increased collaboration” for that reason

(1) Healthiest = great social circle at work that bleeds into social circle out of work

(2) Less healthy = great social circle at work, separate great social circle outside of work

(3) Even less healthy = no social circle at work (just a job), great social circle outside work

(4) Worse = great social circle at work, no social circle outside of work (I never seen this situation. If you have a great social circle at work it's practically inevitable you'll do things outside of work)

(5) No social circle anywhere

This being HN I know lots of people will rebel against (1) but there are tons of stories about friends starting companies together and you can be sure they loved spending time together both at work and outside of work.

Just to make it more concrete I can't personally imagine The Beatles just calling their music "a job" and not getting close to their fellow band members. Sure that's a band but it's not really different from other famous business friend founders. I'm pretty confident Larry and Sergei socialized with each other outside of work. Hewlett and Packard. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were certainly friends when starting Apple and socialized outside work.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by missedthecue »

xtracto wrote: post #81
outcoldman wrote: post #64

I know some people are very excited about that, and some think that is going to be a new norm. I have not worked for the corps for at least 4-5 years, but before that I always assumed there are only small amount of people who can really work for company remotely. I definitely saw people calling that they are going to work from home, but saw very little work to be done that day. Which probably means that people used t…

>You are at new place, you going to work like 4-6 hours instead of 8-9 hours. I remember some studies mentioning that the real productive time in a daily 8 hr shiFt was 4-6 hours. If that's so, then it's completely doable. Hopefully someone has a fresh link to one of those studies.

I think it's less that people do 4-6 hours of work per day, and more that people spend ~50% of the workday productively.

In other words, a 4-6 hour workday means 2-3 hours of work getting done.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by dinvlad »

missedthecue wrote: post #130
ajkjk wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obligatory reminder that this stance isn't universal and some people do like open floor plans (such as myself).

I do too. I think a lot of people who spend work hours browsing the web don't like them.

Who said that browsing HN or other tech sources on-your-own is less productive than regular "work"? :P

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by hnburnsy »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #119

> Everyone will still need a permanent address for tax and payroll purposes I spent a lot of time outside US while waiting for my wife's visa to process and quickly wrote some advice on maintaining US domicile & "permanent address" while abroad: https://www.kylehotchkiss.com/blog/domicile Sorry about the misspellings and slightly ugly personal site but I hope that this helps somebody who may be considering working or…

Like full time RV'ers you could pick a domicile state and a mail forwarding service in that state. Texas, Nevada, Florida, and South Dakota are popular for tax, insurance, and legal reasons.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by wardedVibe »

akhmatova wrote: post #94
cube00 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It always annoyed me that they couldn't even be honest and say it was save rent, they had to make it seem like open floor plan was a positive thing because it "increases collaboration" It's not enough you want to be cheap but you want to make it seem like you're doing it for our benefit.

Actually I think they were sufficiently self-deluded to believe that "increases collaboration" rap all along.

the easiest way to lie to others is to lie to yourself and not look to critically at your reasoning.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by mfkp »

hattmall wrote: post #62
aaomidi wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you literally just use a PEO and let them handle it for you. It's not that hard.

Seriously, Office depot will handle it for you for $6 an employee per compensation period.

Do you have a link for more information on this? I'm curious and would like to look into it.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by pkdpic »

paulcole wrote: post #132
pkdpic wrote: post #128

Ive worked for a coding bootcamp since before covid. We used to be in person only and Ive gotten to see the ups and downs of the full-remote transition for at this point hundreds of jr devs entering the field. Long story short everything I thought would get negative blowback or go up in flames didnt. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and it never does. Our students work through around 1000 hours of computer s…

> I still can't believe there's no catch Do you believe that remote work is a net gain for society but is a net negative for many individuals?

definitely, my best friend cant stand it and another engineer mentor friend has suffered really legitimately from it, but honestly its a good reminder, and a privilege check on being in a relationship and living in a walkable mixed-zoning area

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Post by rmk »

Work from anywhere is truly advantageous for people without families, or people who have much older children (maybe). Also, if collaboration is centered around Pacific Time, then it effectively rules out many of the 170 countries. Add in 4 1-week onsites per year, and the logistical challenges become mind-boggling, never mind the other more subtle aspects. How will this work in practice?
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