What link? Can you provide a little background for those of us who have no idea what you're talking about?
https://publiccode.eu/
And discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31183882.
Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
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Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#22Why would it not be spam? If many accounts are sending that link to their contacts, doesn't that exactly mimic bot-spam?
I thought this is what trending means.
Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#23Facebook is fighting against the "huge target on its back" effect. The bigger of an audience you are, the more interest there is in posting abusive content, whether it's spam, trolling, or something else. The result is usually that you end up digging a bigger and bigger moat around your submission and curation process, so that your service is not completely flooded with crap. I think this is what you are seeing here,…
Or maybe, they are trying to cost-save, by using algorithmic methods to block people, and spam? And maybe, just like the little guy, they should curtail, and moderate manually?
There is no reason they cannot, other than it costs. And if the "little guy" can manually moderate a forum, and respond to unblock requests, then it is no problem for Facebook, or any other big player too.
In truth, Facebook would still save over "the little guy's" moderation methods, as Facebook has the size and scope to develop software tools to significantly improve the workflow of manual moderators.
All this "but it is impossible!" blather I hear, re: manual moderation just means "cause our profits would drop a little".
Oh boo hoo! Manual moderation is the future.
Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#24Facebook is fighting against the "huge target on its back" effect. The bigger of an audience you are, the more interest there is in posting abusive content, whether it's spam, trolling, or something else. The result is usually that you end up digging a bigger and bigger moat around your submission and curation process, so that your service is not completely flooded with crap. I think this is what you are seeing here,…
Totally agree. You're describing Hanlon's razor. No malace behind blocking it, just a result of incompetence.
Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
They should hire more people to do things they have not successfully automated! Oh, maybe that would carve too much into the profit margin? Luckily we do have governance that can make companies comply with doing ethical business -- even though they don't hit bulls eyes every time.
Legally, the government can force compliance by large technical companies. In practice, there's no current chance of that happening. Believing that Facebook, Google, Twitter et. al. are beholden to the government given the past several years is somewhat laughable. Government is slow, and tech business is fast. Our politicians cannot keep up, even when they try.
Tech corporate change has slown down significantly, in as, the market is now full of entrenched players, and the market place is extremely static compared to 20+ years ago.
Plus, 20 years ago only a small number of people were on the internet compared to now.
Where did all of Google's, of Facebook's growth come from? An expanding internet.
That's over. US adoption rates went from basically single digits, to essentially everyone, over 15+ years.
Other places are even pulling away, or becoming more restrictive. EG, China, Russia, and even the EU slapping fines around.
Google, Facebook, the massive growth is over here, in their entrenched markets.
Meanwhile, more and more politicians grew up with the internet, use it daily, have smart phones, and "get" it.
EG, an early adopter at 18, in 2000, would be 40 now. And, adopters of tech at 30, in 2010, are 42 now!
During the rise of Google, eg 2000s, even the youngest Senators and Congress members were unaware of email, or the implications of smartphones, ad networks, tracking.
Now, they almost all use the Internet daily, see annoying banner ads, notice how they are tracked.
Further, some ... before entering politics, will experience the horrors of trying to deal with a real problem with Google, Facebook, and their lack of customer service.
My point is, it was not the speed of market change, but instead, that it was a new market.
That's over now. The tech market is old.
Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#26What link? Can you provide a little background for those of us who have no idea what you're talking about?
https://publiccode.eu/
Trying to sign this, I got a 429 "too many requests" when clicking on confirm, and something about 20 per 1 hour. Did I sign, or didn't I? Reloading the page tells me there's no pending confirmation ID.
Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#27Something I wrote in the last 2 weeks on fb was autoflagged as spam. As a result I set my account to be deleted. I thought I was shadow banned. When I reactivated it yesterday I received the post marked as spam, object or confirm wizard.
Idk if that's new. But it does feel like they're training a new AI and crowdsourcing that process.
But then again they might genuinely suppress this initiative, idk.
Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#28Facebook is fighting against the "huge target on its back" effect. The bigger of an audience you are, the more interest there is in posting abusive content, whether it's spam, trolling, or something else. The result is usually that you end up digging a bigger and bigger moat around your submission and curation process, so that your service is not completely flooded with crap. I think this is what you are seeing here,…
Or maybe, they are trying to cost-save, by using algorithmic methods to block people, and spam? And maybe, just like the little guy, they should curtail, and moderate manually? There is no reason they cannot, other than it costs. And if the "little guy" can manually moderate a forum, and respond to unblock requests, then it is no problem for Facebook, or any other big player too. In truth, Facebook would still save o…
I ran a site in the mid 2000s with about 2500 forums. The site barely paid the server cost.
I was no Facebook ofc.
I had about a million visitors per month.
So me not being able to monetize this circumstance lead to me manually fighting spam, which took up all my time. Plus answering support requests and continued development of the site as well as maintenance.
I can absolutely understand they automate that. It IS impossible to manage the volume of posts and comments. Even with hired labor Facebook can afford.
It's not all that simple as you make it to be. How many moderators do you need to moderate millions of people's posts?
Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
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Re: Tell HN: Facebook is blocking the publiccode.eu open letter initiative as spam
#30Why would facebook block an open source initiative, considering that they've contributed a ton of open source software (react, graphql, pytorch, etc)? The more simple explanation is that an automated detector misclassified the link because it shares patterns with spam links.
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