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Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of people work at banks… lots of middlemen that maybe don’t need to be there anymore…

I mean you don't need people to manually make money transfers anymore, but I don't think many people do that. Banks have a lot of different jobs, very few of them are obsoleted by crypto, at least so far.

That’s the opportunity, right? Some code does the work.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#152
post #46

The author doesn't understand the value of distributed censorship resistant consensus that's secured by energy. Also the author fails to consider the situation of 80% of humanity who live in countries that experience hyperinflation frequently. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/check-your-financial-pri...

People need to fix their societies and address the root causes of hyperinflation, not tinker around the edges with blockchain etc.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#153
post #114

Blockchains are cool. Very, very cool. Merkle trees on their own are pretty cool, and blockchains are just a Merkle tree hashed into a chain-like structure to create work for decentralized verification. This is a very clever concept, and it is the only known solution to the Byzantine Generals problem that doesn't involve a centralized authority (that I'm aware of). What about this is intrinsically "dangerous nonsense…

You've set yourself up for a question: Please give an example, with a deeper-lever perspective, of a real-world use-case for (non-crypto) blockchain that isn't better solved with non-blockchain technology.

Edit to answer this question:

> What about this is intrinsically "dangerous nonsense"?

The article isn't about the tech itself, it's about the interfaces of the tech and the real world. The problems there are shameless shilling, deception & efficiency problems.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#154
post #46

The author doesn't understand the value of distributed censorship resistant consensus that's secured by energy. Also the author fails to consider the situation of 80% of humanity who live in countries that experience hyperinflation frequently. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/check-your-financial-pri...

I don't think Bitcoin is a global solution for hyperinflation. It just makes it worse. If the value of your money doesn't fluctuate with your, net exports, you'd better have a very cheap industrial apparel.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#156
post #18

I'm very sceptical of blockchain (though I've been in crypto off and on since 2013) but most of the arguments in this article are non-sensical. For example: > But even if all code was without mistakes, blockchains can’t do anything against threats like scams, fraud, hacking of devices with keys for the blochain or just plain old typos in a coin transfer. I don't think protection against human-factor scams and frauds…

The problem with the article is that there are no real arguments besides citing other articles. At best, it’s a summary of Bruce Schneier’s works with a catchy headline. I’m not a blockchain die-hard, but there are some solid practical uses. For instance, in trade finance where multiple parties in an environment with limited trust have to settle a complex transaction asynchronously, blockchain / DLT can really help.…

> For instance, in trade finance where multiple parties in an environment with limited trust have to settle a complex transaction asynchronously, blockchain / DLT can really help.

When does that happen?

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#157
Recently on Odd Lots, SBF offered to race to transfer $100,000 to the person sitting at the next desk over. The opponent could use tools such as wire transfers or checks or walking to a bank to ask to withdraw 1,000 $100 bills to send dollars, and SBF would use USDC. The person whose recipient receives the $100,000 earlier would win the race. A variation of this exercise where the money must be sent to someone in a foreign country was also proposed.

Is winning such races at all valuable?

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#158
post #18

I'm very sceptical of blockchain (though I've been in crypto off and on since 2013) but most of the arguments in this article are non-sensical. For example: > But even if all code was without mistakes, blockchains can’t do anything against threats like scams, fraud, hacking of devices with keys for the blochain or just plain old typos in a coin transfer. I don't think protection against human-factor scams and frauds…

> I don't think protection against human-factor scams and frauds was ever a goal, you certainly never hear it as an argument. I don't think this argument is nonsensical. It's true that these things were not goals. The author's point, I think, is that obviously they should have been. Because this is how people lose money. You can't just call all the most important aspects of monetary transfers "out of scope" if you're…

> You can't just call all the most important aspects of monetary transfers "out of scope" if you're trying to create a system for monetary transfers.

Different people have different perspectives. Clearly a lot of coiners think it's totally fine to put the burden on the user. Of course the author is free to disagree, but it's silly to pretend there is only one possible set of priorities.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#159
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no baby. The technology does not solve technical problems that havent been solved better. The only thing bchains does is give ppl with a lot of money to become stakeholders, the possibility to comodify even more parts of the internet. Thats the only upside of the technology, scam ppl for their money. https://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/against-crypto.html https://web3isgoinggreat.com/

double spending problem, anyone ?

Every banking system ever? At vastly lower energy waste, at higher transaction rates, and with all the legal protection of centuries of well developed needs.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#160
post #6

> The idea to get rid of having to trust centralized organizations might sound tempting, but it doesn’t work: Blockchains don’t get rid of “trust”, they just change, who has to be trusted. What if a group of trusted organizations run a blockchain together?

These kind of networks exist. Not all of them rely on a blockchain datastructure. In general, they are thousands of times more efficient than a system like bitcoin, and require no mining, however, are subject to the whims of the various political jurisdictions that those organizations exist under.
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