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Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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What does turn it into dangerous nonsense is the "solution looking for a problem" phenomenon, fueled by techno-libertarians and more so plain greedy people, looking for a way to justify and entrench the mostly useless technology that makes them rich.

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If it makes someone rich at a high cost to others without adding any value whatsoever then it is useless.

In light of the massive energy consumption it may be worse than useless.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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If blockchain proponents want to replace the existing system that does protect against human-factor scams and frauds (ie. the current financial system that lets governments and institutions control it to enforce the law) then it's going to be part of the discussion whether they like it or not.

Of course it should be part of the discussion, but the article seems to think that crypto people are unaware of it. They're not, they just think it's worth it.

It doesn't matter if crypto advocates are aware of it, these arguments are for other people to understand. The argument is well-known because it's incredibly valid and common for people to want protection against those problems of fraud. When people point out that you're not wearing any pants, "uh I know I'm not wearing any pants" doesn't really address the relevant concern.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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The main reason for the virulent spread of blockchain is the rapid expansion of distrust in government and other regulated institutions like banks, starting from the housing crisis and accelerated through CoVid. People now more and more clearly see that all of these institutions are designed to serve themselves and the richest and the regular people are only an after thought.Block chain provides a hedge that cannot be controlled and manipulated by these institutions.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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I was referring to people in crypto. Obviously the general public prefers traditional payment systems because most people have no problem trusting that the banks will do the right thing.

Millions of people work at banks… lots of middlemen that maybe don’t need to be there anymore…

I mean you don't need people to manually make money transfers anymore, but I don't think many people do that. Banks have a lot of different jobs, very few of them are obsoleted by crypto, at least so far.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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It seems a bit off to assert that "people feel it is a price worth paying" when almost all purchases online are made with credit cards which have some protections against fraud, and almost none are made with blockchains in comparison. It seems like so far, most people don't think it's a price worth paying?

I'd go one step further: the few legal purchases done with crypto currencies are mostly done by people unaware they're paying that price

I think you hit the nail on the head. Most people who genuinely want to use cryptocurrencies as a replacement for classic ones in legal day to day transactions don't realize the drawbacks. There's an implicit assumption that by being a "currency" crypto gives the same benefits as a classic one, plus the digital aspect and other advantages.

But I like to think this is like buying medicine from a street dealer. Maybe it's faster or more convenient, maybe you get the same quality. But those "maybes" are clearer for people when buying medication from a back alley. It's not at all visible to people using crypto as a replacement for their classic currency.

Every time there's an exchange hack, a massive fraud, a price crash, etc. more people start feeling the drawbacks and push for the kind of regulation, oversight, supervision that today are antithetical with cryptocurrencies and its associated parties.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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I'm very sceptical of blockchain (though I've been in crypto off and on since 2013) but most of the arguments in this article are non-sensical. For example: > But even if all code was without mistakes, blockchains can’t do anything against threats like scams, fraud, hacking of devices with keys for the blochain or just plain old typos in a coin transfer. I don't think protection against human-factor scams and frauds…

It seems a bit off to assert that "people feel it is a price worth paying" when almost all purchases online are made with credit cards which have some protections against fraud, and almost none are made with blockchains in comparison. It seems like so far, most people don't think it's a price worth paying?

Blockchain is just a decentralized ledger of transactions. A cryptocurrency is an implementation of digital currency using a blockchain. Blaming blockchain for not having fraud prevention tech is like blaming TCP/IP stack for delivering a scam email to your inbox. This is a problem to be solved in a higher layer, which we're seemingly nowhere near as we're still just trying to get blockchain to scale efficiently.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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post #84
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What technical solution do you have for multiple parties needing to transact where they do not trust each other and cannot depend on a third party or the court system for dispute resolution? I'll wait.

My suggestion is: "grow up". All of human society is based on trust, and it works just fine and has for centuries. Who would even want to live in a trust less society? That sounds like hell.

I might trust someone enough to give them $20. I might not trust someone enough to enter my credit card details on their webpage.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

#139
post #18

I'm very sceptical of blockchain (though I've been in crypto off and on since 2013) but most of the arguments in this article are non-sensical. For example: > But even if all code was without mistakes, blockchains can’t do anything against threats like scams, fraud, hacking of devices with keys for the blochain or just plain old typos in a coin transfer. I don't think protection against human-factor scams and frauds…

>This is a well-known, probably inevitable effect of what is probably the main point of using blockchains. Clearly people feel it is a price worth paying.

If people really thought it were a price worth paying, everyone would be using Ethereum Classic instead of Ethereum.

Re: Blockchain Is Dangerous Nonsense

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post #124
post #84

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My suggestion is: "grow up". All of human society is based on trust, and it works just fine and has for centuries. Who would even want to live in a trust less society? That sounds like hell.

This is not a technical solution.

Growing up is also realizing that some problems require non-technical solutions :).
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