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3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why people missed work

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I am pretty sure people used to call others stupid or intelligent even in Ancient Egypt. Quantifying that measure is not really such a huge leap.

True, the village idiot had iconic status and the donkey was legendary. I always wondered (thoughtfully) what the anti-IQ crowd was all about, was it that IQ tests are imperfect or was it that IQ as a fundamental concept is flawed.

So, the grandparent post is hopefully not betraying my actual thoughts on the matter too much, but I am indeed in the anti-IQ crowd. My thoughts on the matter:

- IQ scores are not a standard measure. There are several different internationally recognized IQ tests, but people who talk about their IQ scores tend to pick the one they do best on and declare that "their IQ."

- IQ scores measure performance on standardized tests. However, they are frequently misinterpreted as a measure of intelligence in general.

- As a result, certain people are motivated to practice for an IQ test, which seems counterproductive.

- Depending on the particular IQ test in question, one's performance on an IQ test stems from their present state of mind, and this is unavoidable. IQ tests, by design, are not concerned with this detail (although, historically, they did account for some crude concept of "metal age" compared to physical age. Which is itself problematic: what is this supposed to measure, again?).

- It is worth noting that IQ scores were originally propped up by the eugenics movement. For example, the most widely used test in the United States was based on the work of Lewis Terman, who at some point wrote "high-grade or border-line deficiency... is very, very common among Spanish-Indian and Mexican families of the Southwest and also among negroes. Their dullness seems to be racial, or at least inherent in the family stocks from which they come." Based on that information, there is a likely answer for the question I asked a moment ago.

- Obvious conjecture, but, IQ scores are not really useful in today's society? I have a few years still to go, but so far in my life, I have not once seen an IQ score trumpeted somewhere and thought "that is a useful measure for the discussion at hand." Not in a resume. Not in a debate. Not in a biography. Not in an advertisement. Not in a legal defence.

- So what motivation could we have? People in general gravitate toward answers that make it easier to distinguish the Self from the Other. For example, it took millennia for us to collectively agree the Earth orbits around the Sun. And long before IQ was an idea, René Descartes was a pioneer in trying to explain consciousness through science. To make this work, he was desperate to prove that humans are unique in having free will and intelligence. That animals are machines, over which we have free reign; that humans are special. Because we must be special. So, one of his ideas was that humans have an animal spirit, but we have the ability to control it. That we must control it. But, it is important to note, not all humans do.

- Tests, in general, are a problematic measure of intelligence. A better measure of intelligence will always be performance in regular day to day activity, analyzed by someone with no bias and an understanding of the context. Obviously this can't be standardized, which is unfortunate, but it does not follow that the next-best thing is actually a meaningful measure. Sometimes we humans must simply accept our limitations.

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A lot of those are related to death: 5 WRAPPING (THE CORPSE OF) HIS MOTHER 2 WRAPPING (THE CORPSE OF) HIS SON 1 EMBALMING HORMOSE 1 EMBALMING HIS BROTHER 1 MOURNING HIS SON 3 LIBATING TO HIS FATHER 13 and I suspect most of these: 8 WITH THE SCRIBE 1 OFF ABSENT WITH THE SCRIBE 5 FETCHING STONE FOR THE SCRIBE 2 FETCHING STONE FOR QENHERKHEPSHEF 1 LIBATING FOR HIS SON 1 LIBATING FOR HIM 1 LIBATING 2 BURYING THE GOD 21 a…

Yah, exactly, they're not excuses, they're reasons, and apparently allowed and understood. Whoever wrote that article is really anti-worker and probably a trash person.

The word "excuse" doesn't require the negative connotation you're ascribing to it.

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True, the village idiot had iconic status and the donkey was legendary. I always wondered (thoughtfully) what the anti-IQ crowd was all about, was it that IQ tests are imperfect or was it that IQ as a fundamental concept is flawed.

So, the grandparent post is hopefully not betraying my actual thoughts on the matter too much, but I am indeed in the anti-IQ crowd. My thoughts on the matter: - IQ scores are not a standard measure. There are several different internationally recognized IQ tests, but people who talk about their IQ scores tend to pick the one they do best on and declare that "their IQ." - IQ scores measure performance on standardized…

Hey, thanks for the detailed response, your last point is a very insightful one (not to me, though). What I have a problem with, is that generally the anti-IQ crowd (not you, since you do understand the nuances) tend to take the stand that IQ tests are imperfect or even wrong hence they also extend that to concluding that intelligence itself as a concept is flawed, basically the blank slate concept.

Now the last point that you mentioned is a very important. Most average people who make decisions (eg employers) are average themselves so that they fall back on what they know best ( sometime it's IQ tests, in the software world it's leetcode) and what they know best is not necessarily the best. So why blame the normies? (And I'm not denying that a lot of harm comes off it.) What is the alternative for a normie? As a general concept similar methods of gauging people (by normies) on other aspects (like trust) is also flawed, but that is the best they can manage.

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Supposedly Putin is there already. Much good it does him.

I hear this claim, but I disbelieve. Wikipedia list of countries by total wealth[0] says Russia’s worth was $3.3 trillion in 2019, and I don’t believe he can really be said to control that fraction of Russia even if he was explicitly given more power than Stalin had over the USSR. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wea...

His assets are not mainly in Russia. He has been sluicing wealth out for decades.

Imagine if his assets outside Russia could be identified. Trump's fascination with Putin is not idle; he has a nose for money.

Re: 3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why people missed work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, the village idiot had iconic status and the donkey was legendary. I always wondered (thoughtfully) what the anti-IQ crowd was all about, was it that IQ tests are imperfect or was it that IQ as a fundamental concept is flawed.

So, the grandparent post is hopefully not betraying my actual thoughts on the matter too much, but I am indeed in the anti-IQ crowd. My thoughts on the matter: - IQ scores are not a standard measure. There are several different internationally recognized IQ tests, but people who talk about their IQ scores tend to pick the one they do best on and declare that "their IQ." - IQ scores measure performance on standardized…

All that complaints look similar to the idea that veganism is bad because vegans are annoying or that quantum mechanics is nonsense because some people believe in quantum healing.

I can name one field that justifies all IQ research that was and will be done: education. It has immense value there and can help guide policy on the issues of education and all related concerns such as discrimination.

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I hear this claim, but I disbelieve. Wikipedia list of countries by total wealth[0] says Russia’s worth was $3.3 trillion in 2019, and I don’t believe he can really be said to control that fraction of Russia even if he was explicitly given more power than Stalin had over the USSR. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wea...

His assets are not mainly in Russia. He has been sluicing wealth out for decades. Imagine if his assets outside Russia could be identified. Trump's fascination with Putin is not idle; he has a nose for money.

A trillion dollars is roughly two years of the entire Russian national exports, and I don’t think he has the capacity to pocket 10% of the total exports every year for the last twenty.

The corruption needed to enable that level of loss would imply other people having the opportunity, and I expect competition between different corrupt officials would limit any one person.

Perhaps I’m wrong — I’m not knowledgeable, this is just based on what feels like a plausible upper level to me.

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My guess: someone who is attempting to pee on the scorpion. We are talking about a 10 year old, after all.

It would appear that the scorpion was in fact pissed off, not pissed on.

Take your upvote.

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His assets are not mainly in Russia. He has been sluicing wealth out for decades. Imagine if his assets outside Russia could be identified. Trump's fascination with Putin is not idle; he has a nose for money.

A trillion dollars is roughly two years of the entire Russian national exports, and I don’t think he has the capacity to pocket 10% of the total exports every year for the last twenty. The corruption needed to enable that level of loss would imply other people having the opportunity, and I expect competition between different corrupt officials would limit any one person. Perhaps I’m wrong — I’m not knowledgeable, thi…

Four oligarchs died under suspicious circumstances in the last, what, a week? Who gets their assets? FSB will gather them up.

Nobody can be sure of the numbers. Most of us can't count that high in one lifetime.

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Remember this is translated by archaeologists, and most of them go into the profession thinking about mummies. I suspect whenever they come across a symbol they don't understand to translate, they might just assume it means "ooh, it must mean wrapping my father"! TL;DR:. Translator bias could be hitting hard...

No. We have a good grasp of how ancient Egypt worked. Archeologists also don't go into the profession "thinking about mummies", archeology is a respectable, evidence-based profession. Do you think the whole field of archeology is a joke?0 There are lots of dual-language pieces that have been used to verify an accurate translation of these very inscriptions.

Not least of which, the Rosetta Stone has three: Hieroglyphics, Demotic, and Greek.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

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"There are just two seasons in the old Icelandic calendar: [...] summer and winter." https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/10/21/do_you_kn...

The local version of this is: there are only two seasons in Michigan—winter and construction.

There were two in The Bay Area in the early 2000s: wet and dry. Prolonged drought has made us a one-season region, talking about four seasons like other areas.
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