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Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by i_like_waiting »

lbotos wrote: post #29
i_like_waiting wrote: post #21

>DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab Yeah, just had a call with them and they confirmed that for only VCS its not feasible to use their platform. What are people migrating to? I am looking at bitbucket again I guess.

I work at GitLab, but curious what your use case is for just VCS ? I assume your company has other solutions for the software lifecycle that you are happy with? Depending on the size of your org, If it's small GitLab CE is free and can readily handle VCS no problem, you won't have a support contract though.

I am in charge of reporting, business intelligence and DE. We use VCS to have all our SQL transformations stored there.

Like that all the business users interested can see whats happening in background and we have things version controlled.

For rest of the features we don't have use case and our "proper IT" is using github instead, but there you have to pay per seat in org. as I heard

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by i_like_waiting »

pyrophane wrote: post #27
i_like_waiting wrote: post #21

>DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab Yeah, just had a call with them and they confirmed that for only VCS its not feasible to use their platform. What are people migrating to? I am looking at bitbucket again I guess.

What do you mean? Do they just not offer a plan that is cost effective for a source control only use case? I currently use their source control and CI features, and that's it. No issues.

There is free tier that will have limit of 5 users in June.

The Free tier of GitLab SaaS will have a limit of 5 users per namespace beginning June 22, 2022

https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2022/03/24/efficient-free-tier...

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by i_like_waiting »

sercand wrote: post #30

This is why we left Gitlab. DevOps become center part of Gitlab which we don’t use and need any of those feature. We all need a code storage, code review, issue tracking and the CI/CD. We would pay advance features of those (epics, multiple assignee, etc) but we have to pay super expensive top tier which includes unnecessary DevOps stuff. We left and happy so far. We are using Kubernetes and custom DevOps tools but d…

Where did you go instead?

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by john_cogs »

lucideer wrote: post #26
john_cogs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GitLab logo/mascot is actually a tanuki, a Japanese racoon dog. It symbolizes our values as a smart animal that works in a group to achieve a common goal.

If the intent of the redesign was to make this more apparent, it also failed in that goal. Old and new both look like a fox. Old(er) tanuki-like logo for comparison https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gitlab-artwork/-/blob/9b07772f...

The intent of the redesign is for the logo to reflect GitLab's place at the center of the DevOps infinity loop.

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by abofh »

nicoburns wrote: post #6
cabalamat wrote: post #4

Does this mean I can ewrite a web app, put the source on GitLab and have GitLab run the web app (ideally with very minimal hassle)? If not, what does it mean? What is Gitlab letting me do now than (a) it didn't do before (b) Github doesn't do?

It means that a big part Gitlab's offering is now things like CI, whereas originally it was just code hosting.

Which is unfortunate, because outside of gitlab.com, I've found gitlabs CI offering to be more unpleasant than any of the competition in terms of "DevOps" implementation, scalability and automation.

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by afandian »

harabat wrote: post #24
afandian wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't sold them selves as 'just code hosting' for some time. I almost wish they did. They've negleted basic stuff yet their marketing sells them as an all-in-one solution. A thousand dollars per seat per year (no fractions!) for the WHOLE organization just for nested Epics? No thanks. This 2 year old thread just keeps on giving: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/213185 I'd join many participants in…

Would you be able to list some of the negative developments you expect from GitLab going forward? For example, I know they are reducing support for Free Tier on their managed instance ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30791162 ). Is that the kind of thing you're talking about? What would you recommend instead? Gitea?

I should say that I respect and admire GitLab's pursuit of financial sustainability and not selling themselves too cheap. But the resulting culture, combined with the actual product experience, is offputting.

The issue tracking and labelling system is fine for what it is, but not good enough for planning projects. The Epics and Milestones functionality appears thrown together and isn't useful for much (we tried). Missing features such as persistent links to milestones (links are essentially a text string), lack of workflows ("You can do anything! Just ... use labels"), Milestones lack a change history, lack of nested Epics.

We want to be able to use confidential issues every now and again, which mean that everyone in the org needs a seat license to contribute or even view. If you want nested Epics you have to jump from $240 /seat/year to $1200 /seat/year for every single seat (hence the above linked issue).

Fundamentally they are trying to be the "everything" platform, and their sales material suggets that you can drop subscriptions to all kinds of competitors. Our experience was that the features weren't quite good enough.

I don't necessarily expect things to get worse. I just find that the tools aren't quite good enough to justify the sales talk, and seeing them expand the breadth of feature set without improving core stuff is disappointing.

We're staying with GitLab for code and dev team, because we're already there and we've built CI pipelines etc. But moving to Jira for issue tracking and planning, and so far it's much nicer.

EDIT: Just noticed that they closed the issue [0] with a glib "opportunities to help customers derive more value from GitLab".

[0] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/213185

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by trash_human »

john_cogs wrote: post #34
lucideer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the intent of the redesign was to make this more apparent, it also failed in that goal. Old and new both look like a fox. Old(er) tanuki-like logo for comparison https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gitlab-artwork/-/blob/9b07772f...

The intent of the redesign is for the logo to reflect GitLab's place at the center of the DevOps infinity loop.

Why not just do some play on an infinite loop then?

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by i_like_waiting »

i_like_waiting wrote: post #31
lbotos wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work at GitLab, but curious what your use case is for just VCS ? I assume your company has other solutions for the software lifecycle that you are happy with? Depending on the size of your org, If it's small GitLab CE is free and can readily handle VCS no problem, you won't have a support contract though.

I am in charge of reporting, business intelligence and DE. We use VCS to have all our SQL transformations stored there. Like that all the business users interested can see whats happening in background and we have things version controlled. For rest of the features we don't have use case and our "proper IT" is using github instead, but there you have to pay per seat in org. as I heard

explaining it now, for business users we would achieve the same if they had access to sharepoint folder with the code + syntax highlighting.

But I also believe its beneficial to educate the user about VCS as side objective.

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by trash_human »

i_like_waiting wrote: post #21

>DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab Yeah, just had a call with them and they confirmed that for only VCS its not feasible to use their platform. What are people migrating to? I am looking at bitbucket again I guess.

Depending on if your arch is supported, pipelines on bitbucket is pretty cool.

Re: Gitlab New Logo: DevOps Is at the Center of Gitlab

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Post by SippinLean »

lekevicius wrote: post #5

Old logo was probably the cleverest rendering of a fox using very few lines. The new logo is a lot less smart, much more standard. Typography is also uninspiring: seems to be using Inter, which is designed to not have any character (pun not intended). Although, to be fair, old logo also had very basic typography.

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