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Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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Re: Google almost convinced me to spend $400 on useless laser treatments

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> Gatekeepers that block access to potential treatment pathways until you can convince them it’s worth a try. You assume they actually know what needs to be done. In my experience, you can see they don't have a clue and aren't willing to do research to learn. They just hand out their usual prescriptions, etc and sometimes hope an exam will give them an obvious answer. On top of that, most doctors only have a very nar…

I‘m really not trying to sound snarky, but - is this the supposedly high quality treatment that U.S. citizens get that is so much more expensive as opposed to the „socialized“ insurance we get in Europe that is cheaper for everybody and supposedly therefore not as good/cutting edge?

In my experience the quality varies wildly, but every doctor has a base level of knowledge that is far deeper than a layperson. The quality of that knowledge is usually very high, and seems to be pretty well retained by most doctors I've met.

The quality of the actual doctor varies on whether the doctor is a lifelong learner, a deep thinker, a good listener, is good at extracting information from people who are bad at introspecting how they feel, and communicating with people whose language skills and mental capacity are far below or above their own. They also leave out their personal biases about "what" the person they're treating might be (drug seeker, hypochondriac, malingerer, etc.).

If you visit a doctor and they don't have the ability or time to execute those non-medical training qualities, then you get a bad doctor.

The main issue is that the good doctors usually go to desirable places to live. This is often not in rural or even suburban areas of the country, and that's typically where the bad stories come from (adjusted for population density anyway - lots of stories from cities too but there are more people in cities).

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I care most about my car, house etc in the whole world too. The risk I guess is that being informed might make me want to overrule the experts. On a population scale the advice might be bad. Depends on how good the experts are.

So your opinion is that if research tells you that you should overrule a doctor's opinion, the right course of action is to not bring it up, not do the research in the first place, because the doctor "knows better"? In my opinion if you disagree or have doubts about treatment you should definitely bring those up with your doctor, see what they say about your reservations, and either get convinced or find some second…

It easier to judge if someone sings good than to sing your self. I get your point.

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“ Medicine has become a three-way negotiation between you, your doctor, and The Algorithm.” This characterization makes it sound like a good thing. In reality, the doctor’s responsibility is being pushed to the patient because they are overbooked in the name of economic efficiency. As a patient with complex, non-specific medical condition, I can tell you how miserable this is. I can’t count on doctors _at all_ to mov…

At what point can I just purchase old medical machinery on eBay and run my own blood tests and stuff.

From my experience, in most states you can order whatever tests you want from Private MD Labs and just walk into any LabCorp location and get your blood taken and a PDF of your results emailed to you within 24 hours.

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> I take it you've never thrown your back out and had an adjustment that fixed a lot of pain? A _good_ chiropractor will only perform adjustments, but the foundations of Chiropractic "medicine" is pseudoscience that many still practice to this day. Wikipedia has a good summary on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic#Pseudoscience_ver... But, in my opinion, if you're only going to a chiropractor for adjust…

If you're reading this and haven't, please click the Wikipedia link. Scroll down to the photo labeled "A chiropractic manipulation of a horse." I hope it makes you laugh as much as it did for me.

Equine chiropractors are pretty mainstream nowadays. The one I use is an excellent vet to start with who also does adjustments. There's wackos out there, but there's definitely some properly trained individuals who do a lot of good. I get my mare done every other year or so. Her back gets sore, it's super obvious when you're riding her, the chiro comes out, and she's so much more relaxed and moves more freely when I get on her the next day. A year or two later, she's sore again and we repeat.

Crap, even the old school Kansas cowboy I used to ride with uses them. When his ranch horses start acting sore, he gets a chiro out. The man can do pretty much anything else veterinary himself, and does, but calls in an equine chiro for his working animals.

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While I have heard of plenty of scammy dentists myself, I don't see a reason to complain about them cleaning your teeth. If you actually told them you just got your teeth cleaned that is a different issue though.

The 10th dentist didn't notice there was no tartar? Or the first 9 didn't remove the tartar? Which is the good option?

You don't just get your teeth cleaned to remove tarter though. It is part of preventive holistic dental plan. If you want a better chance of finding early decay and get to the bottom of any sensitivity you need a hygienist to poke around a lot more than the dentist usually does.

In my case they found a tumor in my jaw during a cleaning that even was overlooked in a full set of X-Rays.

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I just left my dentist because they kept pushing braces on me (invisalign). I am over 60. The old dentist didn't do these things. The new dentist was hard sell. They also wanted to replace a crown that was fine. I found a dentist with a less invasive approach (and associated with the local dental school). I think there is a problem with dental care. You have 1 dentist and it's hard to verify what they say.

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I‘m really not trying to sound snarky, but - is this the supposedly high quality treatment that U.S. citizens get that is so much more expensive as opposed to the „socialized“ insurance we get in Europe that is cheaper for everybody and supposedly therefore not as good/cutting edge?

If you go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota you'll see people from all over the world for a reason. It feels like the UN, where everyone has some sort of debilitating disease. They have a system where you get evaluated by a general practitioner (or someone more relevant), and then they schedule you to see however many specialists you might need to see - all within a day or two. It's not perfect, and I've found it's sti…

I recently had to make an emergency visit to a hospital in a major city, with a really weird presentation.

Within 45 minutes of arrival they had figured out what was immediately wrong and had me hooked up to an IV drip of stuff to fix it. An hour later, a specialist for my issue came and talked to me about the problem and had an idea for a root cause. I was held overnight for observation and had several more tests run; by the time I left the next morning I had a root-cause diagnosis and a prescription to fix it.

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This is the kind of marketing-driven content I can actually get behind, not joking. Glacier MD at least has the problem right.

What's to stop Glacier from becoming the same as Google for the same reasons? That's a mountain of med ad cash on the table.

Google worked great for a long time. The beauty of capitalism is that a competitor that provides more valuable may supplant it. The day Glacier falls into the same short term cash trap, I hope someone else rises up in its place.

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General anesthesia? Here in Europe we don't do that. I had one wisdom tooth that got rotten and the injections did not help with the pain because of the infection, so the nurse held me down while the doctor pulled the tooth, me screaming in agony. Then they gave me a shot for the trauma so I would calm down. This is Northern Europe.

Holy smokes. It sounds like you weren’t given the option, but did you prefer that to the risks of GA? (Honest question, no agenda. That sounds like something that would make me never go back to the dentist, but maybe that’s just me projecting popular dentist horror.)

Honestly it's just not a possibility in most of the dentist offices I've visited in Estonia as well as not really a thing (I don't know anyone who has ever gone under GA). Whatever horrible stuff that needs to get done gets done with you wide awake, and that's the norm. Good thing is that it's over pretty quickly.

When I lived in Spain I knew they offered GA there, but it usually meant paying 100+ EUR more, which is quite a lot. And europe doesn't really have a thing such as dental insurance. In most countries (Not 100% sure) in Europe you pay out of pocket for all the dentist stuff. Maybe you get a free cleaning once a year.

But other than the availability of GA and the money, I have nothing against it and would have obviously preferred that to my experience of medieval dentistry.

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Lupus is really hard to diagnose. There's a reason that ends up being the diagnosis on pretty much every episode of House M.D. Doctors generally see 6 patients an hour, and have 5-7 minutes of paperwork per patient. The remaining 3 minutes gives enough time to diagnose the obvious, but not much else.

It is not hard to diagnose once you eventually get to a person that can diagnose it. You said it yourself. It is not about difficultly, but time spent with the patient. But I literally showed my doctor the cutaneous lupus in my ear and she said "Oh, some people just get gunk in their ears" and would not send me to a rheumatologist. The slow diagnosis is because the specialists are so reluctant to see people. Right no…

There are too many patients and not enough doctors. This isn't caused by capitalism, capitalism doesn't limit the # of doctors. Becoming socialist doesn't magically allow doctors to see patients for twice as long. If we had socialism more people could afford doctors(a good thing!) but it would make this specific problem worse, because there would be more patients. This is caused by the AMA lobbying to limit the supply of doctors in order to drive up salaries.

It's why we have this.

United States – $316,000 Germany – $183,000 United Kingdom – $138,000 France – $98,000 Italy – $70,000 Spain – $57,000 Brazil – $47,000 Mexico – $12,000

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