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Re: Pleading with YC: Enough with the political & financial news. More Hacker News please.

#101
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I kinda agree with the politics. It seems HN users like US politics, thats fine. But as a guess I'm sure most like p0rn too, it doesn't mean HN should be full of it... (OK thats a pretty bad example, but you get what I mean...)

This election is huge. Considering that, I'm actually surprised there haven't been more posts relating to it. If anything, the community does very well in ferreting them out. Business and economics, I'd argue belong front and center.

Every election seems like the most important election ever at the time. The entire 24 hour news cycle depends on channels like CNN convincing you that what happens today is more important than what happened yesterday.

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#103
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit, Digg, every other community site which started out with a narrowly focused group and then slowly become popular. Is that enough actual real world evidence? I can keep listing social sites, that this has happened to, all day long.

You haven't pointed to evidence of it happening here . One political post every hundred or so (if that - I doubt it) doesn't tell me the sky is falling. Testing the predicted feedback loop, especially for #1 and #2, would seem to required actual evidence of #1 and #2 happening here .

I wasn't going to reply, but I've seen this "One political post every hundred or so" comment from you several times now, and it's simply irrelevant. It is not how many political submissions there have been lately, but how many are reaching the top 30, or even the top 5, and the quality of discussion therein.

When I first joined Hacker News (near the beginning), a political article on the front page was an anomaly; in fact, I can't remember a good example of one. Sure, there were a few things in regards to the importance of Net Neutrality and how it could potentially affect the landscape of the Internet. There were a few about AT&T sharing records with the government, or Google not doing it. These are issues that have direct relevance to startups and "hackers", and there were hardly ever political debates or democrat/republican leanings expressed in the comments. Even then, I remember seeing perhaps one such submission on the front page per month.

Lately, it is strange not to see a few front page political articles per week. Not only that, but these articles are less relevant to our startups and to the lives of non-Americans. And to take the cake, their comments inevitably include at least one political debate thread, a few snarky comments, and a general lack of substance.

Many of the members who are here for hacker-related submissions simply stay away from such topics, and that is apparent from the difference in comment quality. It seems to me that there is a slow shift towards a Hacker News divide: "good" Hacker News submissions where the discussion is interesting and intellectually stimulating, and "bad" Hacker News submissions where the discussion tends more towards the things we're trying to avoid.

In a site called "Hacker News", this divide is unwelcome and senseless. That this submission has over 200 upvotes (not including one by me, by the way) is evidence of that. I would much rather see 3 submissions like this that indicate that the community is fighting back against irrelevance than to see even one submission that is dominated by political debates that could easily happen elsewhere.

People have been talking politics for centuries, and the likelihood that someone here is going to bring up a novel, interesting point is minuscule. In a community that is dominated by programmers, entrepreneurs, and other tech people, I'd much rather see discussion that might actually introduce me to brand new ideas and change my life for the better.

Re: Pleading with YC: Enough with the political & financial news. More Hacker News please.

#104
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This election is huge. Considering that, I'm actually surprised there haven't been more posts relating to it. If anything, the community does very well in ferreting them out. Business and economics, I'd argue belong front and center.

Every election seems like the most important election ever at the time. The entire 24 hour news cycle depends on channels like CNN convincing you that what happens today is more important than what happened yesterday.

Truer words were never spoken.

I figured this out about 4 cycles ago. The entire system is rigged to suck you in and be convinced that the future of mankind and the universe is at stake.

Now I try my best to ignore news outlets, especially cable news outlets, during this time of P'on Far. But every time they still suck me in anyway. This time around I was doing some bug fixes and left the convention coverage on. Pretty soon there I was, glued to the set.

Politics is much better (or worse) than sports. The games go on for months, everybody gets involved by the end, both sides try to make the stakes out to be something incredibly huge, millions (or billions) are spent trying to find you everywhere from the subway to the toilet and convince you the other guy abuses old people. Better still? The last few games have been really, really close.

I love it. But it's not HN. :)

Re: Pleading with YC: Enough with the political & financial news. More Hacker News please.

#106
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This election is huge. Considering that, I'm actually surprised there haven't been more posts relating to it. If anything, the community does very well in ferreting them out. Business and economics, I'd argue belong front and center.

Every election seems like the most important election ever at the time. The entire 24 hour news cycle depends on channels like CNN convincing you that what happens today is more important than what happened yesterday.

I don't disagree - but this November is quite different, in kind, from last November. I have no doubt we're seeing a little seepage here, but the relative paucity, given the great noise in the outside environs, gives me greater confidence in this community, not less.

Re: Pleading with YC: Enough with the political & financial news. More Hacker News please.

#107

A continued focus on political articles will attract people who enjoy endless and mostly pointless arguments about politics. It is a path to HN becoming another reddit. Political articles are like junk food. Tempting while they're right in front of you. A little bit of indulgence is OK. Not good as a steady diet. PG has said that he thinks he can prevent deterioration of content on HN. I think this problem is actuall…

The financial and political news will fade. To be honest I think a lot of it is relevant. The political news is often regarding technology policy. The financial news impacts us all. The economy is going through some really rough times. This affects startups, which is one of the hacker news core subjects.

I have been on hacker news a long time and still don't see a shift or pattern to indicating a decrease quality in news. I think people might be over exaggerating just a little.

Its been said before, if you want to see better content, find it, post it and vote it up.

Re: Pleading with YC: Enough with the political & financial news. More Hacker News please.

#108

A continued focus on political articles will attract people who enjoy endless and mostly pointless arguments about politics. It is a path to HN becoming another reddit. Political articles are like junk food. Tempting while they're right in front of you. A little bit of indulgence is OK. Not good as a steady diet. PG has said that he thinks he can prevent deterioration of content on HN. I think this problem is actuall…

The financial and political news will fade. To be honest I think a lot of it is relevant. The political news is often regarding technology policy. The financial news impacts us all. The economy is going through some really rough times. This affects startups, which is one of the hacker news core subjects.

I have been on hacker news a long time and still don't see a shift or pattern to indicating a decrease quality in news. I think people might be over exaggerating just a little.

Its been said before, if you want to see better content, find it, post it and vote it up.

Re: Pleading with YC: Enough with the political & financial news. More Hacker News please.

#109

A continued focus on political articles will attract people who enjoy endless and mostly pointless arguments about politics. It is a path to HN becoming another reddit. Political articles are like junk food. Tempting while they're right in front of you. A little bit of indulgence is OK. Not good as a steady diet. PG has said that he thinks he can prevent deterioration of content on HN. I think this problem is actuall…

The financial and political news will fade. To be honest I think a lot of it is relevant. The political news is often regarding technology policy. The financial news impacts us all. The economy is going through some really rough times. This affects startups, which is one of the hacker news core subjects.

I have been on hacker news a long time and still don't see a shift or pattern to indicating a decrease quality in news. I think people might be over exaggerating just a little.

Its been said before, if you want to see better content, find it, post it and vote it up.

Re: Pleading with YC: Enough with the political & financial news. More Hacker News please.

#110

A continued focus on political articles will attract people who enjoy endless and mostly pointless arguments about politics. It is a path to HN becoming another reddit. Political articles are like junk food. Tempting while they're right in front of you. A little bit of indulgence is OK. Not good as a steady diet. PG has said that he thinks he can prevent deterioration of content on HN. I think this problem is actuall…

The financial and political news will fade. To be honest I think a lot of it is relevant. The political news is often regarding technology policy. The financial news impacts us all. The economy is going through some really rough times. This affects startups, which is one of the hacker news core subjects.

I have been on hacker news a long time and still don't see a shift or pattern to indicating a decrease quality in news. I think people might be over exaggerating just a little.

Its been said before, if you want to see better content, find it, post it and vote it up.

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