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Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

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This is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I love my phone, even though I don't use social media, or play predatory games, or whatever. It lets me talk to my friends all day, doesn't distract me unless I want to be distracted (all notifications are off), and entertains me when I'm bored. Your post seems a bit "I couldn't use my phone responsibly so I got rid of it", which is fine (I can't have sweets in t…

The parent post even says, "I'm at the point in my life," which doesn't sound like they're saying it's for everyone. Further, are you sure that "entertains me when I'm bored" represents a benefit? I think boredom serves a useful purpose, and quelling it with empty activity might defeat that purpose.

> "I'm at the point in my life," which doesn't sound like they're saying it's for everyone.

I took that as a generalization, but maybe they did mean in their specific life, rather than every human's life.

> Further, are you sure that "entertains me when I'm bored" represents a benefit?

I do, sometimes I'm bored and want to be productive, sometimes I want to be unproductive. The phone is for the latter. If I didn't have it, I wouldn't be productive, I'd just be feeling bad.

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

#52
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I’d love something like this that I could just dock my phone into when I get home, rather than needing a separate SIM. Especially if it had a nice receiver. Trying to actually talk on a cell phone is so much harder than it used to be when you could cradle the receiver in your shoulder.

Trying to actually talk on a cell phone is so much harder than it used to be when you could cradle the receiver in your shoulder. If this was tongue-in-cheek, you got me! I would never go back to holding a physical phone up to my ear after using wireless airpods or equivalent.

Ha! I feel you, but it’s not tongue in cheek. I almost never use earbuds, and I hate holding my featureless glass slab up to my ear for extended periods. I long for the days of sitting with something actually designed to be held to my ear.

Edit: it’s also part of a general desire to be more untethered from the phone. I wish I could have a classic phone + ringer experience that integrates with my smart phone, so I can just plug the phone in and forget about it once I’m home unless I get a call (for whatever reason my phone’s ringer is not loud enough to be heard throughout the house, and I feel like having something to dock it to would make it easier psychologically to not feel like I have to carry it around with me all the time).

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

#53

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This particular kind of novelty is kind of appealing to people who want to be conspicuously, obstreperously Luddite, while still carrying a mobile phone. I admit I kind of want one of these novel bits of tech just to show off how Luddite I am.

I think there are shades of gray to be recognized between obstreperously "Retro" and obstreperously Luddite. There are still a significant cohort of people alive that grew up in the era where the rotary phone interface was the only phone interface. Using this device in public could be merely a nod and a wink to others in the same cohort and a nice conversation starter rather than a position against the advancement of…

Curious - Why "obstreperously "?

I would've assumed something like "Ostentatiously" would've been the word; but I've seen "obstreperously" couple of times in this thread now, and had to look it up (it's a new word to me:) - seems to be "noisy and difficult to control", and that gives it a whole different, perhaps more negative slant?

P.S. FWIW, in my limited experience, it is typically the most technologically savvy amongst us that go through incredible effort to discover, purchase, setup, own, operate and integrate retro/Luddite devices in their lives :-)

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

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Indeed... I want one too! Pocketable rotary dial phone? Just, $400 can cover a lot of other things. I consider carrying something like this (I carry an AT&T Flip IV at the moment if I remember the thing) to serve as a reminder to other people that not everyone has, nor wants, smartphone-type capabilities. At the local farmer's market last weekend, a number of various political booths (on all sides of the spectrum) ha…

This is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I love my phone, even though I don't use social media, or play predatory games, or whatever. It lets me talk to my friends all day, doesn't distract me unless I want to be distracted (all notifications are off), and entertains me when I'm bored. Your post seems a bit "I couldn't use my phone responsibly so I got rid of it", which is fine (I can't have sweets in t…

> Your post seems a bit "I couldn't use my phone responsibly so I got rid of it", which is fine...

I was perfectly fine with my smartphone, I had it greyscale, heavily restricted in terms of what was installed, etc. It wasn't a particular problem... but at that point, neither was it a particular benefit. Battery life was "a few days at best," it was large and expensive, and I tend to enjoy playing in the weeds of "What's possible?" vs "What's the default?"

As I didn't know anyone who was carrying a feature phone instead of a smartphone, I set out to figure out what that looks like, with the constraints of "I don't want to annoy other people too badly with my choices" - so the first attempt, a Bananaphone, went out quickly because it couldn't do MMS based group texting. The Flip IV handles that, if not well, then "in a way that doesn't irritate other people, mostly." It doesn't render any emojis, but I'm fine with that.

By "point in my life where I can do this," I mean that people around me simply expect me to have oddly broken or limited computer systems and communications systems, so if I'm off in some weeds or another, it's no particular surprise. I don't need 100% reliably daily comms, people don't expect me to respond instantly, and everyone knows that if something's on fire, use the phone feature of the cell system and I'll pick up. Assuming my phone is nearby.

I've written up more on the experiments here: https://www.sevarg.net/2022/01/22/kaios-bananaphone-flip-iv-...

I hate what modern smartphones have become, and I'm fairly vocal about that. I think that they've turned into expensive, human-toxic bits of ewaste looking for a place to happen, and that they've been the primary enablers of the always-on surveillance capitalism systems we see today, to such great harm to humanity. To then continue using them, despite "Well, yeah, but I turned off notifications...", is a form of hypocrisy I try to avoid in life as much as I can. I can be as right as the day is long about the benefits of a vegetarian, low meat, or vegan diet, but if I'm talking to people about it while chowing down on a bacon double cheeseburger, I can reasonably expect nobody to listen to me. The same goes for tech habits. I can't rail against smartphones and social media, on smartphones and social media, and expect much beyond a well deserved eye roll.

I at least try to live out my convictions regarding technology, which means that things like the blog post I linked above are hosted on a server I own and have colo'd locally.

And I'll entirely admit that there exist a small number of features I've not found ways to replace a smartphone for, so I use my legacy device for those and only carry it with me when I need access to a particular building that has smartphone based locks (I don't like them, but I didn't install them, other people like them, and they don't have an easily usable key backup), or if I'm doing Part 107 drone operations for some reason or another.

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

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Is it a rotary phone or a touchscreen app underneath a rotary? I cannot tell from the pictures.

For 400$ I would rather have a dongle/cord/app that would allow me to plug an actual oldschool phone into my cellphone.

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

#56
post #54
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I love my phone, even though I don't use social media, or play predatory games, or whatever. It lets me talk to my friends all day, doesn't distract me unless I want to be distracted (all notifications are off), and entertains me when I'm bored. Your post seems a bit "I couldn't use my phone responsibly so I got rid of it", which is fine (I can't have sweets in t…

> Your post seems a bit "I couldn't use my phone responsibly so I got rid of it", which is fine... I was perfectly fine with my smartphone, I had it greyscale, heavily restricted in terms of what was installed, etc. It wasn't a particular problem... but at that point, neither was it a particular benefit. Battery life was "a few days at best," it was large and expensive, and I tend to enjoy playing in the weeds of "Wh…

Ah, yeah, I can agree with that. I don't have the same experience as you, but if yours works for you, I'm glad.

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

#57
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent post even says, "I'm at the point in my life," which doesn't sound like they're saying it's for everyone. Further, are you sure that "entertains me when I'm bored" represents a benefit? I think boredom serves a useful purpose, and quelling it with empty activity might defeat that purpose.

> "I'm at the point in my life," which doesn't sound like they're saying it's for everyone. I took that as a generalization, but maybe they did mean in their specific life, rather than every human's life. > Further, are you sure that "entertains me when I'm bored" represents a benefit? I do, sometimes I'm bored and want to be productive, sometimes I want to be unproductive. The phone is for the latter. If I didn't ha…

> ...but maybe they did mean in their specific life, rather than every human's life.

Yes, it's something I can do in my life specifically. I recognize not everyone is able to do it depending on work (I couldn't drive for Uber/Lyft/[insert food delivery service of the week here] with a KaiOS device, but neither am I trying to do that), and there are some downsides in terms of having to carry separate devices for other functions (typically a pocket camera for photos, and CDs in the car for audiobooks), but they're nothing I find particularly objectionable.

The reality is that I'm just dropping back to a 1990s or early 2000s way of doing things, which I lived through, and find a better way of handling things than a smartphone-mediated-always-on world that's become the default - not because people have thought through it and want it, but because it's the most profitable set of defaults to the tech companies and app vendors involved.

> The phone is for the latter. If I didn't have it, I wouldn't be productive, I'd just be feeling bad.

I find boredom quite useful. I typically have a paper notebook and pencil in my pocket anymore for those times.

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

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You know you can just get a vintage one for a song, real beauties, heavy enough to clobber a would be assassin. https://www.ebay.com/sch/182098/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=rotary...

I have a couple of those around. I had to learn to dial them as a kid when we moved to a house that still had them hard-wired to the wall. Someday I'd like to try to use them as an intercom/hotline between the house and workshop, but I haven't figured out how to power the circuit and (especially) the ring signal. (Grandpa always did his own phone wiring and told me you really didn't want to be touching the terminal w…

Connecting two rotary phones (via 40 volt battery) is the easiest thing. They work as-they-are without modifications. When the phone is off-hook, the dialling rotator makes pulses and when the phone is on-hook those pulses cause the bell to ring. But not very loudly, because the real ringing pulses are 80 volts.

Source: I am rotary-telephone-era Telecommunication Engineer.

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know you can just get a vintage one for a song, real beauties, heavy enough to clobber a would be assassin. https://www.ebay.com/sch/182098/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=rotary...

I have a couple of those around. I had to learn to dial them as a kid when we moved to a house that still had them hard-wired to the wall. Someday I'd like to try to use them as an intercom/hotline between the house and workshop, but I haven't figured out how to power the circuit and (especially) the ring signal. (Grandpa always did his own phone wiring and told me you really didn't want to be touching the terminal w…

Completely overkill for just an intercom, but an analog telephone adapter would let you connect those to a VoIP server (like Asterisk, etc). Could be cool.

For just a hotline/intercom setup, I think a telephone line simulator might do the job, but those seem stupidly expensive!

EDIT: The other reply seems a lot more knowledgeable, ignore this one

Re: Rotary Un-Smartphone Kit

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post #57
post #51

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> "I'm at the point in my life," which doesn't sound like they're saying it's for everyone. I took that as a generalization, but maybe they did mean in their specific life, rather than every human's life. > Further, are you sure that "entertains me when I'm bored" represents a benefit? I do, sometimes I'm bored and want to be productive, sometimes I want to be unproductive. The phone is for the latter. If I didn't ha…

> ...but maybe they did mean in their specific life, rather than every human's life. Yes, it's something I can do in my life specifically. I recognize not everyone is able to do it depending on work (I couldn't drive for Uber/Lyft/[insert food delivery service of the week here] with a KaiOS device, but neither am I trying to do that), and there are some downsides in terms of having to carry separate devices for other…

Aw you're younger than me if you "only" lived through the 90s :P
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