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College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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If you don’t know what you want to do at 18, major in economics at a state school. It’s pretty broad so you can do as much math, writing, and finance as you want. It’s a respectable degree, says you’re smart and practical. Minor or double major in whatever else you think you might want to do.

A guy I went to school with did econ and acting. He was working as a producer for a while, and I heard he's going to be in a Netflix show

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if you read around on the internet, in various and sundry forums, there is a rising acknowledgement among people that maybe their friends who accidentally got their girlfriend pregnant in high school and then got married and started working right away were the lucky ones... at the time it seemed as if those friends had messed up royally, but in hindsight, looking back over time and it seems as if the ones who got a g…

Turns out, starting work 4 years earlier in your life helps with compound interest.

https://xkcd.com/947/

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My advice: go somewhere cheap, and get a practical degree. I went to CCU for most of my college career (back when it had just become a standalone university). Wasn't (still isn't) prestigious, but with scholarships, was entirely free for me, and it had the added benefit of attracting some decent professors who had retired to the beach and still wanted to teach part time. Today, for in-state tuition, it's around $47K…

I wish people would push vocational schools like they did college. We are going to need thousands and thousands of nurses in the next several decades. They're well-paying jobs that aren't going to be automated away in our lifetimes (a lot of doctors, on the other hand, can probably be replaced by AI). We need nurses, not people with sociology degrees (I say this as someone with a sociology degree).

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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I'll offer one anecdote of counter-college hate. I went to a local state school, graduated in three years with winter and summer classes, commuted for the second and third, worked the whole time, and came out with a very small amount of debt (maybe 5-10k, been a while now and I don't remember). I made friends in college, I was able to get into a great job via an internship that I got from the school job fair, and got…

If I had gone to college I might have ended up with a social life and probably wouldn’t have done much better/worse economically. I have this current theory that there are a lot of domain/industries even in software development are made much harder to get into for the “uneducated” because the companies tend to source less experienced employees exclusively through university hiring pipelines. Now I have no qualms abso…

Great point about the pipeline. One of the big reasons I went back to grad school was so that I could reenter the pipelines via internships. Luckily it ended up working out

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Undergraduate curriculum is disappointing, college doesn't allow you to jump to graduate level courses even if you are at that level. They don't care what prior knowledge you bring. They want you to pay for years of useless prerequisites that offer you nothing but steal your time and money.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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post #50

My advice: go somewhere cheap, and get a practical degree. I went to CCU for most of my college career (back when it had just become a standalone university). Wasn't (still isn't) prestigious, but with scholarships, was entirely free for me, and it had the added benefit of attracting some decent professors who had retired to the beach and still wanted to teach part time. Today, for in-state tuition, it's around $47K…

$47K for the degree itself leads to much larger debt if you're in the sizeable contingent of students that also needs to pay for things like a place to live and meals rather than relying on parents. You're paying $12K/year for the degree and likely $18K/year for rent and another $18K or so for other expenses. If you're making $30K/year from a part time job and paying $4K of that to taxes. you end up with a $22K/year…

Those numbers seem off based on what CUNY calculated for 2021-2022: https://www.cuny.edu/financial-aid/tuition-and-college-costs...

They put highest total at $27,091, or basically right within your 30k projection.

That said, 30k is basically full time at $15/hr, so that’s probably too high of an assumption if the hypothetical student is to graduate in 4 years. Though it is doable (I worked full time through college).

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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> It’s worth taking a moment to reflect on the fathomless insanity of expecting teenagers to hatch decade-spanning plans intended to shape the course of their lives

But this sounds like the exact opposite of what the OP did; there was no long-term planning involved in their decision, they just did what was expected of them. We can argue the huge impact of the established norm "Thou shall attend College" but that's not what happened here. It sounds like they could have studied anything but choose film, then were suprised that immediately out of school were not handed the keys to a multi-million dollar enterprise. Hey, me too, and everyone else regardless of industry or domain.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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post #23

There's something extremely depressing about how popular this attitude of "college is a bad ROI, do something else with your time" is. For sure, in the US currently there aren't many alternatives, so this might be practical advice for the current situation. But that isn't how this argument is framed most of the time. Instead, it's often more akin to "poor suckers going to college, haha I beat the system!" as if skipp…

IMO, that's why we're seeing these article. Going to college is/was pushed heavily by teachers/society/counselors as _the only_ way to 'make it'. Add that to the fact that college costs in the US have skyrocketed (thanks to bloated admins) on the backs of government backed loans, an economy that never recovered from the GFC, it's a tinder box waiting to explode. You can't promise people a better life--at great cost-- and then not deliver and expect no blowback.

I regretted college while I was in college, but I was already on a debt treadmill. I am a vocal anti-college (in the US in its current form) advocate. Start a business instead. Fail. Learn.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#119

if you read around on the internet, in various and sundry forums, there is a rising acknowledgement among people that maybe their friends who accidentally got their girlfriend pregnant in high school and then got married and started working right away were the lucky ones... at the time it seemed as if those friends had messed up royally, but in hindsight, looking back over time and it seems as if the ones who got a g…

That would be true if they got married, got a job, stayed married and stayed employed. But isn't that more of a fairy tale than the norm. It takes immense amount of maturity, courage, discipline, etc. Things that are not taught or encouraged anymore in this country. I'm guessing the norm is a dead-beat dad/single-mom situation, welfare, section 8 housing, poverty, etc.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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Chiming in as a recent American college grad... One of the most disappointing aspects of American College life is how incurious everybody seemed to be. I had grown up with Reddit & Twitter and easily, many times over, had more interesting conversations, read more nuanced takes, and learned more about the world than I did in any of my college classes. Granted, I was a STEM major with very few humanities classes. But g…

> I will say that in the STEM degrees people were far more curious than in the humanities.

That's surprising. I found that the humanities students (sans Communications) were far more intellectually curious. My friends in Philosophy, Classics, Economics^1, and Art were particularly great. Communications not so much.

Out of curiosity, did you attend a public "Tech"/"Mines and Ags" style university? At least in my state, that university was famous for churning out stereotypical engineer types and everything I heard from high school friends who attended sounded a lot like your assessment -- the STEM folks were incurious at best and huamanities was worse (because who would go to a Tech for a huamanities degree?)

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^1: At the college where I did my undergraduate, the Economics degree was kind of non-standard and really was more of a humanities degree.

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