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College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#41
You went to college for a film degree and then found out you couldn't get a job with it. This should not be a revelation. We tell people to "follow their dreams". That's a nice sentiment, but it's just not how the real world plays out. If this guy had gotten a nursing degree, his experience getting a job would have been entirely different.

I'm not saying higher education is perfect, but it's always been the case that some degrees do nothing to further your career or get you a job.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#42

One point of view arguing for a non-stem degree is that it teaches you to read, write and think. And there is some logic to that thought. Even if you spend 4 years just learning about, say, Sociology, you have to read up on a debate, summarize the background, have an opinion, be challenged and so forth. And you are on your way to 10k hours. Now film school might have a component of that, or maybe it is teaching you h…

"it teaches you to read, write and think."

Most people learn that by grade 10. College should be for highly specialized skill learning.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#43
> What matters are connections, professional experience, and the ability to raise large sums of money.

I have yet to find a job where these things are not true. In fact, I very much doubt there’s a job where it is your diploma that gets you that job. It’s almost always your connections. Your diploma from Stanford is more l likely to get you a job because of the name than your success in studying there.

I finished my degree 15 years into my career as a self-taught developer. I probably didn’t need to get it. I do think it made me a more well-rounded person. And I’m proud of myself for accomplishing something that was not easy, by any stretch.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turns out, starting work 4 years earlier in your life helps with compound interest.

Yes, if you're saving. But if you have no degree or work experience and a kid to support, your money isn't staying in your pocket unless your parents are willing to help out.

We should perhaps compare having a kid to support and having a job to having a kid to support and using loans to go to film school.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#45
Just like much of the healthcare system, government jobs, military contracting, etc., college is a glorified welfare-jobs program for much of the staff and arguably entire departments and schools as well as a business for much of the vampire administrators. Too much welfare relies on the current college system and there have been too many “EdD”’s, MFAs, etc. awarded for us to meaningfully back out of this system. I think the bough will break on society as a whole before anything happens to the school system, considering all the other additional subsystems sucking out resources. These degrees in certain fields have always been a fine vacation for the rich, but unfortunately we’ve beguiled the poor into pursuing them as well. Might as well call it an MLM scheme at this point.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#46

Society as a whole would probably benefit from more trade schools, even for many jobs that are typically thought of as traditional white collar jobs. Though on the individual level it’d probably limit options and make it harder to switch careers.

tons of trade schools and trade jobs exist. the problem is the jobs are not that enticing.

Well the money can be enticing.. if you manage to get an apprenticeship. Notwithstanding that trades aren't created equal.

I initially went to tradeschool, before college. This was a reflection of self-confidence. I hated it. I often didn't have important tools or had them stolen, I didn't connect with anyone, and there was frankly a lot of standing around and waiting for your turn, there was a substantial lack of written reference material if you so happened to miss what a prof says (and their attention was always monopolized by 1-2 guys). I also didn't want to work graveyard shifts and 12 hour days.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#47

One point of view arguing for a non-stem degree is that it teaches you to read, write and think. And there is some logic to that thought. Even if you spend 4 years just learning about, say, Sociology, you have to read up on a debate, summarize the background, have an opinion, be challenged and so forth. And you are on your way to 10k hours. Now film school might have a component of that, or maybe it is teaching you h…

> "... What matters are connections, professional experience, and the ability to raise large sums of money."

That's kinda true about everything though and it's called business. I still remember a speaker from my stem undergrad first year who came in and asked whether we were more interested in :

A. Learning stem theories. B. Making money.

Maybe 3 out of 100 raised their hands to go with option B. Most of us where like, this guy doesn't know we're not in a business school right...

It took me a long time to realize it's all about business :/

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#48
I went to a state school and got B’s and C’s. I got a degree in Political Science, did NOT get into law school, and somehow still turned out successful. College taught me some responsibility, but mainly how to use my head to think through life instead of just reacting. Had I not gone to college I’m convinced I would be in jail, or worse.

College doesn’t make success, it just gives you a set of tools. Ultimately you have to do the work. I am not convinced this author has really put in the work.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#49

One point of view arguing for a non-stem degree is that it teaches you to read, write and think. And there is some logic to that thought. Even if you spend 4 years just learning about, say, Sociology, you have to read up on a debate, summarize the background, have an opinion, be challenged and so forth. And you are on your way to 10k hours. Now film school might have a component of that, or maybe it is teaching you h…

> One point of view arguing for a non-stem degree is that it teaches you to read, write and think

This is where these critiques often go wrong in my opinion. There's no mention of what was learned, what value was gained over that time, because I highly doubt it was nothing. As you mention, there is an aspect of project management in making a film. You have to write a film, you have to select roles for your film, you have to delegate tasks. There are all kinds of soft skills that are learned in the completion of any degree program, and people usually take them for granted because they never studied for that specific thing, their project management skills were never tested directly.

Re: College Was the Biggest Mistake of My Life

#50

My advice: go somewhere cheap, and get a practical degree. I went to CCU for most of my college career (back when it had just become a standalone university). Wasn't (still isn't) prestigious, but with scholarships, was entirely free for me, and it had the added benefit of attracting some decent professors who had retired to the beach and still wanted to teach part time. Today, for in-state tuition, it's around $47K…

$47K for the degree itself leads to much larger debt if you're in the sizeable contingent of students that also needs to pay for things like a place to live and meals rather than relying on parents. You're paying $12K/year for the degree and likely $18K/year for rent and another $18K or so for other expenses. If you're making $30K/year from a part time job and paying $4K of that to taxes. you end up with a $22K/year shortfall which after interest is likely to be $100K of college debt.
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