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Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by zuhsetaqi »

smackeyacky wrote: post #334
zuhsetaqi wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the point and totally agree, but in my opinion it doesn't fit to this kind of list in the article which is about features of the OS that don't work on macOS but on Linux. "Linux can't ran Adobe Creative Cloud Apps natively which a lot of designers use" would also not fit this kind of list.

Why not? Its a perfectly valid criticism of linux and a good reason to choose OSX if you need adobe. As a developer who needs docker, OSX is not the best choice. If I was a designer, OSX is a better choice.

While it's a good reason to choose macOS or Windwos over Linux it's not a valid criticism of Linux because they can't do anything about it. It would be valid criticism of Adobe. Like I said the list of the posted article is about OS features and explicitly not about third party software

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by skepticalwaves »

jraph wrote: post #300
mvanbaak wrote: post #293

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How many of the functionalities the author misses and doesn't want to install "unsupported 3rd party tools" are NOT 3rd party tools in ubuntu? Ubuntu linux is a distribution, and only a very very small set of tools and functionalities is "Ubuntu", all the others are simply packaged up 3rd party tools

These 3rd party tools are tested and supported by the distribution though. It's a big strength of Linux distributions. There is one central, easily reachable place where you can report and track bugs for pretty much everything you do on the computer. Obviously there are no guarantees that things will be fixed (fast) if you don't pay some sort of support but that's fair enough and still, the maintainers usually want t…

Let's not endorse launchpad bug reporting too strongly, I have bugs going on 5 years and 3 major releases.

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by snapcaster »

djrockstar1 wrote: post #253
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #238

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NFS mounts are supported in macOS natively SSH mounts are done with osxfuse MTP support is also available: https://github.com/ganeshrvel/openmtp This article feels a bit like the author didn’t look very hard for solutions to a lot of their problems, but instead skipped straight to writing an article to complain about things they didn’t understand.

Oversights like these always make me wonder if the author is cunning and Cunningham's Law is at play. Why look very hard for solutions when you can just claim there are no solutions and wait for someone to disprove you?

Have you personally used OSXfuse/sshfs? it really sucks to get working properly and set up. I had it all working on my x86 laptop finally then upgraded to m1 now it's back to being broken again.

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by skepticalwaves »

sseagull wrote: post #321
jraph wrote: post #285

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> I'd not heard of MTP before, so looked it up: "MTP is part of the "Windows Media" framework and thus closely related to Windows Media Player." This comes from [1] which is an interesting page. It's a de facto standard though. And now specified in the USB standard. Android devices expose themselves using MTP when connected with USB for instance. I think the goal was to allow devices to expose their media data / rece…

> Apple went with their custom iTunes-related protocol with the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad, because why not. You can mount an iPhone as MTP. But only for pictures, not for music. I kinda get why, but blah. It’s a bit of a weird distinction to me.

Sounds like maybe PTP?

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by jraph »

skepticalwaves wrote: post #352
jraph wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These 3rd party tools are tested and supported by the distribution though. It's a big strength of Linux distributions. There is one central, easily reachable place where you can report and track bugs for pretty much everything you do on the computer. Obviously there are no guarantees that things will be fixed (fast) if you don't pay some sort of support but that's fair enough and still, the maintainers usually want t…

Let's not endorse launchpad bug reporting too strongly, I have bugs going on 5 years and 3 major releases.

Have you paid someone / some support to fix them?

It's reasonable to have unfixed bugs for years if they are not really blocking many people (and even if they did, but that would be too bad). Maintainers are focusing on other things that need to be done (or not, anyway nobody is supposed to fix bugs for free if they don't want to).

In this case, launchpad works as intended, as a place were you can track the (non) progression of your bugs.

Me too, probably, by the way (in other projects). My bugs reports are more like FYIs to the community.

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by mikro2nd »

smarmgoblin wrote: post #338
yodelshady wrote: post #201

> Read MTP devices > Mount an SSH or NFS drive I know fanboy debates are tiresome, but... I really do struggle to comprehend taking a device that can't do these things seriously as a computer. As a toy yes, or as a specialised tool for video or audio rendering, which... fair enough. But moving bytes is something any general purpose computing device should be good at. It's almost something you have to actively design…

> As a toy yes, or as a specialised tool for video or audio rendering I think this is a useful framing. Apple markets an appliance like a microwave or a refrigerator — both of those are computers in a sense but function only in a specific narrow capacity. You can warm a potato (if it’s in one location and the door is closed), but you can’t move arbitrary bytes around regardless of the capacity of the underlying hardw…

I'm willing to accept your argument that a Mac is not a general purpose computer. It then begs the question of why these devices are so popular for software development...?

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by viraptor »

_8j50 wrote: post #210

Oh, there is a lot more you can't do on MacOS. Things I can do on MacOS: - Edit any document or video within minutues of installation - Use sed/awk/find/grep on any documents or text like with Ubuntu Linux desktop tries too much to be like macos making it even worse. Every time I have to remove avahi, cups and like 10 other things which breaks the whole damn thing and I have to figure out how to unbreak it then get r…

> Every time I have to remove avahi, cups and like 10 other things which breaks the whole damn thing

I don't get it. You're removing services manually and complain it breaks your system. Why remove them then? (For extra irony, avahi is there to support Apple's Bonjour and cups belongs to Apple - I don't expect you're turning those off on your MacOs, right?)

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by philliphaydon »

dotancohen wrote: post #327
baby wrote: post #312

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Just had a coworker who had to wipe out his laptop to upgrade ubuntu version. Literally never happened to me on mac

I haven't used Windows since 2005, so my opinion might be unwarranted, but I've been upgrading my home Linux distro since sometime before 2010 without a clean wipe. During that time I've heard of so many Windows "fix it by reinstalling" stories that I wonder if that is simply the default first step in Windows troubleshooting. After turning it off and back on, of course.

To be fair. There’s a bunch of issues around upgrading to 22.04 because of snaps…

Re: Things I can’t do on macOS which I can do on Ubuntu (2020)

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Post by Macha »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #316
GlassKingdom wrote: post #258

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osxfuse is not a reasonable answer. The author says “without unsupported 3rd party tools”. I have severe problems with osxfuse on M1: janky behaviour and system crashes. This stuff should be native.

Are SSH mounts natively supported on Linux ? In my case I use sshfs, which also uses FUSE and is a "3rd party tool". Is that more reasonable than osxfuse? (Honest question, I'm unfamiliar with the latter) edit: sshfs is "unsupported": "However, at present SSHFS does not have any active, regular contributors, and there are a number of known issues (see the bugtracker)." https://github.com/libfuse/sshfs#development-sta…

gvfs-sftp counts as native to me if you're using a gnome desktop. The author is using a fullfat gnome distro like Ubuntu, so it's probably even preinstalled.
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