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Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by rglullis »

fsflover wrote: post #510
rglullis wrote: post #456

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Is there any practical difference between 7 years and "lifetime" or you just want to get into a "let's see who supports FOSS more" measuring contest?

My 12+-year-old laptop is fully functioning with Debian now. It serves well till today and I don't see any reason to through it away.

Let me put this in another way: you already purchased a pinephone and a librem in the span of a few years. You already blew up your e-waste quota for the next 10-15 years, and you don't even have a device that could be considered a daily driver.

Meanwhile I have a phone that is based on free software (for all the aspects where it matters) and that works. Today. And which has future potential to be just as free as the librem/pinephone - after all, if the code being developed by Purism is free, it can be adopted by other vendors.

A laptop from 12 years ago more likely than not has less memory than a mid-range phone from today, and unless such laptop is your only device for all this time, it has no point in this conversation.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by soco »

philliphaydon wrote: post #379
vidanay wrote: post #211

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I have a company issued iPhone, and the atrocious notification system is enough to assure I will not buy an iPhone personally. If notifications in iOS were ever completely overhauled to the Android model, I would probably jump ship.

Funny. Samsung notifications are a reason I will never buy a Samsung phone again. iOS notifications can be customised to suit my desire.

I use a Samsung and my SO an iPhone which I'm the one "administering" and I can tell that both notifications can be customized at (our) will. I have no idea what you mean there.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by culopatin »

If Android managed to score the same integration that an iPhone has with a MacBook in windows, Linux or Mac, I would still have a windows laptop and a Pixel phone. Also I grew tired of the constant EOL of the google ecosystem and honestly iMessage in the US makes a big difference. In other countries WhatsApp is King so it doesn’t matter as much.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by Espressosaurus »

codr7 wrote: post #117
Espressosaurus wrote: post #58

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How do you play it? How do you import them into your library? If it's not mp3, aac, or m4a, iTunes won't index it, it won't end up in your library, and any of the standard music apps will not play it. Speaking from experience because this is a continuing pain point for my music collection that includes oddball formats like flac, ogg, and others--none of which I can even get on my phone without using a cloud service.

I use VLC, which works great. I don't use iTunes, ever, anywhere; and I feel sorry for anyone who does.

VLC, fine. How do you transfer .ogg or similar files to your iphone?

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by fsflover »

rglullis wrote: post #511
fsflover wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 12+-year-old laptop is fully functioning with Debian now. It serves well till today and I don't see any reason to through it away.

Let me put this in another way: you already purchased a pinephone and a librem in the span of a few years. You already blew up your e-waste quota for the next 10-15 years, and you don't even have a device that could be considered a daily driver. Meanwhile I have a phone that is based on free software (for all the aspects where it matters) and that works. Today . And which has future potential to be just as free as th…

> and you don't even have a device that could be considered a daily driver

I do use it as a daily driver.

> unless such laptop is your only device for all this time, it has no point in this conversation

It's the only device used by my non-technical relative. But even if it wasn't, the device would serve a purpose and not be another piece of e-waste.

> And which has future potential to be just as free

You can't upgrade Linux on your phone due to the proprietary drivers. You're stuck with the ancient version. When it's not supported, your device effectively becomes a brick, unless you are going to recompile everything yourself or fine with being hacked.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by rglullis »

fsflover wrote: post #515
rglullis wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me put this in another way: you already purchased a pinephone and a librem in the span of a few years. You already blew up your e-waste quota for the next 10-15 years, and you don't even have a device that could be considered a daily driver. Meanwhile I have a phone that is based on free software (for all the aspects where it matters) and that works. Today . And which has future potential to be just as free as th…

> and you don't even have a device that could be considered a daily driver I do use it as a daily driver. > unless such laptop is your only device for all this time, it has no point in this conversation It's the only device used by my non-technical relative. But even if it wasn't, the device would serve a purpose and not be another piece of e-waste. > And which has future potential to be just as free You can't upgrad…

Even the most hardcore linux enthusiasts that tried the pinephone claim that they can not reliably make calls, have constant crashes and the app ecosystem is limited. If you are okay with not being able to reliably make calls, fine, but don't oversell on the definition of "daily driver".

> You can't upgrade Linux on your phone due to the proprietary drivers.

Hardware-specific binary blobs don't stop the UBPorts devs to make constant updates to my old BenQ phone. The software part is still up-to-date, but the application catalog is almost non-existent, the hardware is limited (1GB RAM) and the camera is shit. Eventually I want to turn that device into a networked music player, but as a smartphone it didn't last two years.

If I manage to get 7 years out of this Fairphone, its ROI will have been unbelievably great, I will gladly buy whatever comes from Fairphone in 2027, and I will try to find another use for this device.

Hopefully by then Linux on mobile will have matured, but I don't need to compromise on my actual needs just to please the FOSS-purists.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by fsflover »

rglullis wrote: post #516
fsflover wrote: post #515

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> and you don't even have a device that could be considered a daily driver I do use it as a daily driver. > unless such laptop is your only device for all this time, it has no point in this conversation It's the only device used by my non-technical relative. But even if it wasn't, the device would serve a purpose and not be another piece of e-waste. > And which has future potential to be just as free You can't upgrad…

Even the most hardcore linux enthusiasts that tried the pinephone claim that they can not reliably make calls, have constant crashes and the app ecosystem is limited. If you are okay with not being able to reliably make calls, fine, but don't oversell on the definition of "daily driver". > You can't upgrade Linux on your phone due to the proprietary drivers. Hardware-specific binary blobs don't stop the UBPorts devs…

> If you are okay with not being able to reliably make calls, fine, but don't oversell on the definition of "daily driver"

This is an outdated information. The development pace of Pinephone is unprecedented. Even here on HN I saw many recent posts saying that calls and MMS work fine already.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by rglullis »

fsflover wrote: post #517
rglullis wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the most hardcore linux enthusiasts that tried the pinephone claim that they can not reliably make calls, have constant crashes and the app ecosystem is limited. If you are okay with not being able to reliably make calls, fine, but don't oversell on the definition of "daily driver". > You can't upgrade Linux on your phone due to the proprietary drivers. Hardware-specific binary blobs don't stop the UBPorts devs…

> If you are okay with not being able to reliably make calls, fine, but don't oversell on the definition of "daily driver" This is an outdated information. The development pace of Pinephone is unprecedented. Even here on HN I saw many recent posts saying that calls and MMS work fine already.

Ok, good to know. Too bad that I needed a phone 10 months ago.

Update: reading through https://www.reddit.com/r/pinephone/comments/u6zzyc/how_pinep... (from 6 days ago) it seems like you are not just overselling hard, you are trying to convince people to switch to something that is absolutely not ready for general consumption.

You do realize that if your goal is to get more people to adopt FOSS, your approach is more harmful than beneficial? Don't make promises that you can not keep, it will burn whatever goodwill people might have and it ends up convincing them Linux is never going to be for them.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by [deleted] »

grumpyprole wrote: post #485
zeagle wrote: post #464

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Perhaps not the best example because my brand new pixel 6 has a horrible DAC and can't pass through properly to a USB DAC which iPhones have no issue with. (I'll believe a fix is coming then I see it.) https://www.reviewgeek.com/105739/googles-pixel-6-is-disappo...

Tell him/her to use USB Audio Player Pro, it has its own USB driver that supports bit perfect playback and integrates with streaming services also.

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Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by vetinari »

kaba0 wrote: post #489
vetinari wrote: post #268

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> very little on that platform can actually render a non-static UI at that rate. you would be surprised, try it sometime.

My friend’s brand new 1500 dollars flagship samsung gets sweared at constantly for failing to do so.

That's interesting, even my father's 200 eur low end Redmi can do it. Not at all times, but quite impressive for a low end.
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