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Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by usrn »

d4mi3n wrote: post #17
usrn wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people will finally start moving the "official" accounts of politicians and government agencies to something federated like Mastodon or Pleroma.

That's one approach. Regulation is another--we have regulatory models and regimes for broadcast television, radio, and newspaper. Social media is a bit more complex as it is both broadcast and at times bi-directional, but I suspect a lot of concepts between mediums still apply. EDIT: I'd appreciate counterpoints over downvotes. This isn't Reddit. Make your thoughts known, I welcome insights or opinions other than my…

I didn't downvote you but I think regulation here could only make things worse. IMO it only did harm to TV and radio. Most people are probably tired of hearing and debating this idea.

Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by silisili »

alphabettsy wrote: post #88
silisili wrote: post #36

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You kinda touch on something I think is interesting and I'm hopeful for - a more return to balance. It seems a lot of people and groups who go against the status quo were effectively banned or suspended until they fall in line. Where's the fun in that? Do I want to see it turn into Voat? God no. But I'd appreciate way more diversity in thought than they currently allow.

My primary issue with Twitter moderation is that the ban process is so opaque and inconsistent. They’ve certainly got it wrong many times, but it seems like consistency and transparency are what’s missing most. > But I'd appreciate way more diversity in thought than they currently allow. I keep hearing this sentiment and I guess I don’t get it. Richard Spencer wasn’t banned for his “diverse thought”, he’s still on th…

It seems to me Twitter has a policy that seems fair, but is applied in an unfair way, if that makes sense. Basically, if they don't like someone, they ban them for violating policies that thousands of others violate daily.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions

A quick scroll through that is pretty telling they have no interest in allowing conservative people on their platform.

Were most of them banned for cause? Probably. But again, there's thousands if not millions not banned for identical or worse behavior.

So my 'diversity in thought' comment means just that... differing opinions. Even if some opinions are stupid.

I think one giant problem today is that having an opposing opinion on many topics is called out as 'hate', which is a super broad and often misapplied label.

Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by ppetty »

I have a Twitter account I don’t use much, not sure how this might affect that. I do think the internet is missing a pure communication channel like the emergency broadcast system. If Musk can create a true open or transparent platform could he potentially make it a non-profit? People might balk at the idea he’d spend so much to take it private but that would be iconic. Who’s done something to alter the internet as we know it like this if he goes down the public service non-profit route? If he goes the other direction, I’d love to see how he could make it profitable; but does he have to???

Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by twelve40 »

calciphus wrote: post #93
irvingprime wrote: post #89

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Actually, he sounds to me like he has an entirely reasonable understanding of twitter. Can you provide specific areas where you think his understanding is deficient?

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/15/elon-musk-demonstrates-h... Namely I think he vastly underestimates how complex content moderation at scale is.

These articles almost pretend like the entire staff will leave and he will have to rebuild the service from scratch alone, personally. Surely, there will be some existing people and processes around to help him?

Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by d4mi3n »

usrn wrote: post #101
d4mi3n wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one approach. Regulation is another--we have regulatory models and regimes for broadcast television, radio, and newspaper. Social media is a bit more complex as it is both broadcast and at times bi-directional, but I suspect a lot of concepts between mediums still apply. EDIT: I'd appreciate counterpoints over downvotes. This isn't Reddit. Make your thoughts known, I welcome insights or opinions other than my…

I didn't downvote you but I think regulation here could only make things worse. IMO it only did harm to TV and radio. Most people are probably tired of hearing and debating this idea.

Apologies for the confusion, my previous comment was not directed at you @usrn, but at downvoters not participating in this dialog.

You may be correct that the topic is a bit of a dead horse. In my own experience, I find regulation is both an unpopular and controversial topic on HN. I suspect this is why it has been a frustratingly difficult topic to solicit substantial counterpoints on. Your thoughts, while different than my own, are very much welcome.

Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by sebazzz »

pavlov wrote: post #32
tazjin wrote: post #25

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I think that means making blue checkmarks available for all humans.

Great news for everybody not-famous whose legal name happens to be Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin. They can expect to make a ton of money using their famously named blue checkmark account for "Elon wants to donate you 1 BTC! Click here" spam.

Actually, he wants to do something about the bots too.

Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by Markoff »

It's missing option I might join it again, after they reinstate my account blocked for spreading COVID misinformation because I dared to publish facts about kids younger than 11 years vaxxed with vaccine not allowed under 12 and recommended to people over 30 and congratulated parents to giving myocarditis to their kids.

Until they reinstate banned accounts this is just noise and also not sure what to think of authenticating all people. I mean if he wants to run some CAPTCHA or something to distinguish people from bots I'm fine with that, but no way I'm giving Twitter any personal data, which is reason why my account is blocked, because I refused to provide them my phone number to unblock account.

Re: Poll: Are you going to leave Twitter after Musk's acquisition?

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Post by native_samples »

calciphus wrote: post #93
irvingprime wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, he sounds to me like he has an entirely reasonable understanding of twitter. Can you provide specific areas where you think his understanding is deficient?

https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/15/elon-musk-demonstrates-h... Namely I think he vastly underestimates how complex content moderation at scale is.

He seems to be intending to take Twitter back to the type and scale of content moderation social media firms had pre-2015, which is perhaps not co-incidentally when they achieved their huge levels of growth.

Too many HN readers appear to be trying to convince themselves of this idea: that content moderation is some insanely hard problem. It's not. Social media grew to billions of users with relatively straightforward policies. It only seems that way now because the type of people who are obsessed with "moderation" (read: banning ideas they don't like) also struggle to crystallize a coherent set of beliefs about what speech should and should not be allowed. The absurd false positive and noise rates on Twitter/FB moderation is evidence of this. In place of coherent policies there is an inconsistent and ever-shifting set of unwritten rules that must be reverse engineered by outsiders to even begin to understand the underlying "logic".

Reverting to a classical policy of:

1. No spamming.

2. No engaging in illegal activity (e.g. financial fraud, CP, copyright infringement).

3. Tweets that violate local laws will be hidden in that jurisdiction.

along with the usual boilerplates you find in any 2010-era ToS, would be plenty sufficient and would not in fact pose problems harder than literal rocket science.

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