Gen Z does not dream of labor

What if you want to live in an area with employment opportunities? I grew up in a small town in British Columbia. You can't even get a bachelor condo for $50-$80k there. There is nothing available for that price. There's also no industry at all outside of mining. You have to go where the jobs are and for a lot of people that means larger centres.

Spoken like someone who doesn't have the first clue what things are like elsewhere. Housing in Canada is horrendously expensive and prices are going up far faster than anyone could possibly save money. The median house price is now something like ten times the median household income. On top of that, rents have gone up just as quickly and people are left with no additional income once their basic expenses are paid for.

You realize those areas are nowhere close to the jobs? If you're looking for a job in Toronto, the closest place with an actual house under $450k is likely Windsor, which is around five hours away. Across southern Ontario right now the average price of a house is roughly a million dollars. Five hours is much too far to commute for work on a regular basis and a lot of jobs still require you to be there in person. Some things simply can't be done remotely.

And yet, it's only these coastal "livable" towns that I've ever seen somebody defacate on the sidewalk. In the midwest, at least people are potty trained.

Thank you for the reply! I really appreciate it.

> I'd argue that it isn't business as usual because Gen Z is leveraging this once-in-a-few-decades opportunity where employees have some power into "what can you do for me?" discussions with companies and it's working [1]. Gone are the days of "company loyalty," partially because without pensions there's no incentive to put anything on the line for company. At the end of the day, they're remembering the core reason why people work in the first place: To get paid. I don't produce video content for a company "for the team" or "because I love the culture," I do it because they pay me, and it just so happens I also respect the company and want to see it grow. But that second consideration will never - and should never - outweigh #1. Gen Z seems to be internalizing this lesson very well.

Ahh I see, that makes sense. Yes the environment today is once in a lifetime opportunity. I wonder though whether this kind of environment will stay. I.e as a software engineer, yes we can say more and more that it is all mostly money, not work culture or for the team. But for Gen-Z ers that work in low paying warehouse jobs, they won't be as fortunate.

> It's simple: they don't. That era ended decades ago in the US. As for your bit about bootstraps, Americans' belief in that took a nasty plunge during The Great Recession and has been under sharp scrutiny for the better part of a decade [2]. The rise of student loan debt is also a huge factor here, as more and more millennials are putting off the next stage of their lives, such as homeownership/marriage/kids/etc., to try and tackle their high five-figure and six-figure debt.

Yeah, I figured such. I guess this is the reality of today's world, not just in the US but also (and way worse) in other countries. However, I still believe that IT jobs (software engineering, IT related work) and to a lesser extent, a craft-based work like woodworking, plumbing, is still the ticket from poverty to at least middle class. The cost for this trade-based schools are lesser than college. In some sense, we still have a bit leftover of the pull yourself up from the bootstrap.

> Congratulations, I sincerely mean that. Many millennials didn't clue in to the opportunities in coding until it was too late. Now yes, you can always do coding bootcamps or teach yourself, but not everyone can easily switch over to a job like that, and frankly in the 2010's that's where a lot of the opportunity to "pull yourself up" lay. People who are working for pennies often barely have the energy to cook for themselves, let alone teach themselves how to code.

Indeed, I was lucky. I actually got to a programming bootcamp after rejections from 9 bootcamps lol. At that time, I had only $14k in bank and $12k went to bootcamp. That was around 6 - 7 years ago.

Yes not that many people can do coding. However, what do you think about my comment above about trade schools being a ticket for people from poverty to at least middle class.

> You're right, and that's exactly what Gen Z is asking/saying! They are going, "Wow you millennials got rocked and the same way is paved for us. Screw that." Though I do have a pretty huge caveat about "forcing people to spend money on art," but that's a whole other discussion. Suffice to say arts and humanities deserve the same investment we give STEM. It's not about forcing people to pay for it, it's about supporting them and creating opportunity for art and culture. I don't see why that isn't a worthwhile investment.

Yes, so I think Gen Z and the generations below should be educated financially and what are the implications of going to expensive colleges.

Japan is an interesting one in this regard. Arts and culture are highly regarding (besides STEM) as well. You can very well find people who go into some random candy shop and decides that "I want to be a candy master" and actually make a living. Japanese values their own thing, created by their own people over generally imported stuffs from other countries (i.e, China).

What do you have in mind in regarding of supporting/creating opportunity for art and culture?