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Re: Monkeys Love Their Alcohol

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Post by gmadsen »

the_only_law wrote: post #19
mellavora wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The monkeys hated the fresh bitter leaves, but once they fell to the ground and cured, they took on a tobacco chewing habit pretty quickly. I'm a bit distracted today, at first I thought it was the monkey who fell to the ground and was cured. nicotine as medicine :)

Nicotine has to be one of the worst drugs I’ve ever done. You get an annoying addiction but there’s not really any positive effects brides maintains the status quo of not being pissed off and frustrated.

nicotine is a well studied noortropic. It enhances neuroplasticity and focus

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Post by gmadsen »

cosmiccatnap wrote: post #15

"Another part of Dudley’s drunk monkey hypothesis is that, in moderation, alcohol consumption can actually be beneficial for humans and monkeys alike" We have emphatically had to disprove this time and time again. No amount of alcohol is good for humans despite a heavy bias in our media that claims otherwise.

that only looks at physical health metrics. Things like social enhancement and stress relief are not captured in that study and are obviously benefits of moderate alcohol consumption

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Post by whynotkeithberg »

the_only_law wrote: post #19
mellavora wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The monkeys hated the fresh bitter leaves, but once they fell to the ground and cured, they took on a tobacco chewing habit pretty quickly. I'm a bit distracted today, at first I thought it was the monkey who fell to the ground and was cured. nicotine as medicine :)

Nicotine has to be one of the worst drugs I’ve ever done. You get an annoying addiction but there’s not really any positive effects brides maintains the status quo of not being pissed off and frustrated.

If Nicotine is the worst you've done, then I'm going to assume you haven't done many.

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Post by jhugo »

cosmiccatnap wrote: post #15

"Another part of Dudley’s drunk monkey hypothesis is that, in moderation, alcohol consumption can actually be beneficial for humans and monkeys alike" We have emphatically had to disprove this time and time again. No amount of alcohol is good for humans despite a heavy bias in our media that claims otherwise.

Best take care not to eat any especially ripe fruit, then.

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Post by zasdffaa »

cosmiccatnap wrote: post #15

"Another part of Dudley’s drunk monkey hypothesis is that, in moderation, alcohol consumption can actually be beneficial for humans and monkeys alike" We have emphatically had to disprove this time and time again. No amount of alcohol is good for humans despite a heavy bias in our media that claims otherwise.

Then please post some of these multiple disprovals. You know, facts.

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Post by technothrasher »

ycombinete wrote: post #4
skavi wrote: post #2

> Monkeys usually only take one bite of a fruit before throwing the rest to the forest floor Does anyone know why they do this?

Our vervet monkeys in South Africa will often do this but not always. When they steal fruit from our kitchens, they seem to take bites out of each item in their haul, then run off, sometimes with their favorite one. I'm guessing abundance is one reason, similar to how predators in a glut will eat the liver, and other high value meat before moving on to new prey.

I very much enjoyed watching the vervet monkey shenanigans when I was in South Africa.

I watched a vervet monkey at a camp come down and poke around a pile of apples, seemingly sorting out which were the best ones to take. But the instant somebody came out of the kitchen, the monkey dropped all the apples, grabbed a cupcake, and ran.

Another one came down off the roof to try and take some leftovers at the table I was sitting at. When it saw me, it looked right at me, puffed up its body, bared its fangs, and gave off an evil sounding hiss. I just looked right back at it and said, "Really, buddy? I'm ten times your size and weight. Go ahead, come at me." It obviously couldn't understand English, but it clearly knew I was calling its bluff. It looked crestfallen and left sulkily.

Funny little things.

Re: Monkeys Love Their Alcohol

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Post by the_only_law »

whynotkeithberg wrote: post #23
the_only_law wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine has to be one of the worst drugs I’ve ever done. You get an annoying addiction but there’s not really any positive effects brides maintains the status quo of not being pissed off and frustrated.

If Nicotine is the worst you've done, then I'm going to assume you haven't done many.

Nah I’ve done a number of things not a ton, and I tend to avoid things where risks far outweigh the benefits, which nictotine fits neatly in. Especially in some of the more established delivery methods.

At least the psychedelics I’ve tried have given me some entertainment and introspection, weed is useful for chilling out and relaxing and has proved to at times be a surprisingly powerful sleep aid for me. Shit even alcohol is extremely useful as a social lubricant, despite being a terrible substance healthwise.

Nicotine (notable nicotine delivered via tobacco and particularly cigarettes) gives me, something to do with my hands for a few minutes and makes me a bit less anxious and fidgety (caused by withdrawal anyway) but comes with significant cancer and cardiovascular risks.

I guess as far as other stuff I tried that I just felt sucked, coke probably sits up there, but I’m pretty sure it was cut to hell the one time I tried it.

To be a little less disingenuous for a second, someone else mentioned nootropic benefits, but I still doubt the benefits outweigh the health risks.

Re: Monkeys Love Their Alcohol

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Post by Leary »

skavi wrote: post #2

> Monkeys usually only take one bite of a fruit before throwing the rest to the forest floor Does anyone know why they do this?

If you give a baby human a box of strawberries, they'll only eat the sweeter tips and discard the rest.

Re: Monkeys Love Their Alcohol

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Post by kencausey »

cshokie wrote: post #18
morebortplates wrote: post #13

>Ethanol is far more calorie-rich and energy-rich than non-fermented sugars That's true but there should't be any benefit in terms energy density since the energy content per mass unit in fermented fruit is lower than in unfermented. Yeast uses sugar as an energy source to grow and it converts the sugar into alcohol, CO2 and water as byproducts of its matabolism.

Alcohol does have some calories of its own. I’m unsure to what degree that balances out the reduced sugar, though.

I think the point is that the fermentation is taking place in an effectively closed system, there is no calorie input. The fermented fruit cannot possibly have any more caloric content than the original fruit, it has just changed form.

Re: Monkeys Love Their Alcohol

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Post by efficax »

the_only_law wrote: post #19
mellavora wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The monkeys hated the fresh bitter leaves, but once they fell to the ground and cured, they took on a tobacco chewing habit pretty quickly. I'm a bit distracted today, at first I thought it was the monkey who fell to the ground and was cured. nicotine as medicine :)

Nicotine has to be one of the worst drugs I’ve ever done. You get an annoying addiction but there’s not really any positive effects brides maintains the status quo of not being pissed off and frustrated.

Nicotine has significant positive effects on attention and executive function, as well as wakefulness. People smoke for a reason, even if they don't really understand the effect it's having
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