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Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by Clubber »

heavyset_go wrote: post #289
kortilla wrote: post #263

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The Bay Area was nothing in the 80s either. NYC wasn’t even a desirable place to be during that time either. People who pick just what’s attractive at the moment are pretty short-sighted and I have no sympathy for them.

> People who pick just what’s attractive at the moment are pretty short-sighted and I have no sympathy for them. What's attractive and what's viable are often two separate things. NYC is not viable for someone making $40k a year, but neither is moving to the Rust Belt where their "options" are working part-time in department stores or literal crime. Something tells me that this is a situation that can't be won in som…

The most obvious solution is remote work. The main economic reason people even live in large cities is jobs. If the jobs can be done anywhere, that would certainly revitalize a lot of the US to points we haven't seen in decades. I'd much rather live in a quiet rural area than in a city with high traffic, high crime and high costs.

Remote work would also have a cascading effect. Say 20 people move to a rural area, well they need food, and their vehicles fixed, and their house maintained, etc. They need to fund their hobbies and generally would bring more money to those areas. Big cities with a lot of power don't want that to happen because they will lose their tax base. I suspect some city governments are incentivizing businesses to bring employees back to the office because of this.

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Post by zdragnar »

watwut wrote: post #380
zdragnar wrote: post #287

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Bohemia is a place and a people within what is now the Czech republic. "Bohemian" got that meaning because French aristocratic youth saw Roma gypsy immegrants and just called them whatever the closest east European neighbors they thought of. The fact that you think it is a lifestyle and not a people shows just how much history is lost. Somehow king Wenceslas got turned into a Christmas carol, but that's about it.

Czechs are not referred to as bohemians. Gypsies are not referred to as bohemians. And I don't just "think" it is lifestyle. I checked multiple dictionaries and they all refer to it as lifestyle. And the way it was used, it was always used as lifestyle. I never even seen it being used for either czechs or gypsies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia

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Post by mrep »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #392
mrep wrote: post #391

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If abortion law, something you can simply drive to another state for a once in a lifetime event is in your requirements for where you can live, don't be surprised when people roll their eyes at you when you bitch about housing costs. Penny wise pound foolish.

One may also not want to contribute to those leaders on principle, and instead reward the other leaders even though it costs more. Also, this type of stuff is costly to deal with, in terms of emotional and physical health, and probably even monetary costs: https://www.thecut.com/2022/04/texas-woman-charged-with-murd... > She miscarried at a hospital and allegedly confided to hospital staff that she had attempted to i…

> One may also not want to contribute to those leaders on principle, and instead reward the other leaders even though it costs more.

Of course, just don't expect me to care about your housing costs if that is your reason you choose to stay in a high COL area.

And I'm not sure what precedent that example sets relevant to me because nobody I know would try and induce their own abortion in an anti-abortion state instead of just driving out of state and going to a professional clinic.

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Post by otoburb »

Clubber wrote: post #408
imtringued wrote: post #400

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This is one of the most interesting aspects of our modern economy. We have rockets that go to space. We have nuclear weapons. We have automated industrial facilities. We have advanced healthcare. We have the internet and computers. We have basically everything, except the basics. The reason for that is the same and will stay the same, for the entirety of humanity. Land is a finite resource that must be shared with ot…

Since around the 1960s, we've had large economic forces greatly increasing the supply of labor affecting wages: 1. Women entering the workforce, essentially doubling the labor pool. 2. Immigration - at least a million a year, every year. 3. Globalization - instead of local workforce, many companies can now outsource labor to cheaper countries without regulation. 4. Manufacturing - due to NAFTA, companies who once man…

As more of the American workforce voice their opinions and try to win the WFH battle, #3 will re-accelerate.

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Post by refurb »

skulk wrote: post #189
bombcar wrote: post #181

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Many people would consider a suggestion to live in the Midwest as about the same as a suggestion that they spend the rest of their life living in a decrepit sewer system.

Maybe you should try to understand why certain kinds of people (of, perhaps the non-white kind) would not want to move into an insular community?

Insular? Now San Francisco isn’t that bad.

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Post by ryathal »

HWR_14 wrote: post #165
poutine wrote: post #71

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While housing has indeed gotten more expensive you can't compare absolute prices. First you're getting a vastly different product today than in 1946. Consumer demands are far higher too. Also to compare affordability the metric for most people would be the median percentage case of mortgage payments vs the persons take home pay. When measured this way it's been hovering around 30% for the past 40 years in the UK. htt…

> First you're getting a vastly different product today than in 1946. Are you? You're getting a place to live and property you own.

You are likely getting lead free, asbestos free, central heating(cooling), double pane windows, vastly better insulation, more fire resistant, better and more appliances, and depending on locations things like: full basements, attached garages, screened in patio/porch, or pools.

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

klyrs wrote: post #217
poutine wrote: post #71

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While housing has indeed gotten more expensive you can't compare absolute prices. First you're getting a vastly different product today than in 1946. Consumer demands are far higher too. Also to compare affordability the metric for most people would be the median percentage case of mortgage payments vs the persons take home pay. When measured this way it's been hovering around 30% for the past 40 years in the UK. htt…

> While housing has indeed gotten more expensive you can't compare absolute prices. Horseshit. Homes built in 1946 are selling for millions of dollars, even if they're going to be torn down and rebuilt for marginal cost. You're not buying a house, you're buying the land and taking responsibility for everything on it. And even then, the lumber you get out of such an old house is quite valuable virgin oldgrowth, a bett…

In 1946 that house was in the styx with bugger all facilities and infrastructure about it. Fast forward 76 years of development and that house is now in the center of a large city full of facilities and opportunity.

To compare the 1946 houses location you need to pick something with the same level of amenity, which will be probably a country town.

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #153
poutine wrote: post #71

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While housing has indeed gotten more expensive you can't compare absolute prices. First you're getting a vastly different product today than in 1946. Consumer demands are far higher too. Also to compare affordability the metric for most people would be the median percentage case of mortgage payments vs the persons take home pay. When measured this way it's been hovering around 30% for the past 40 years in the UK. htt…

>> First you're getting a vastly different product today than in 1946 Is that true? Something like 40% of the UK housing stock was built pre-WW2. Sure they’ll no longer have a coal bunker and they most likely have had insulation upgrades etc. but a pre-WW2 house in 1946 is still a pre-WW2 house today. The modern build will have less living space, predominately through smaller room sizes but should be cheaper to heat.…

Yes its true, see details in this post

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31156040

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Post by refurb »

heavyset_go wrote: post #296
teakettle42 wrote: post #138

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> We still have zero hope of affording a house, let alone retirement. This is ridiculous. If that’s actually true, move . Lower your expenses. Figure out something else.

Leaving your support network while already struggling means that things like free childcare from family now needs to be made up for with professional childcare, career prospects can be lower without your professional network, and should you fall on hard times, like being laid off, divorced or getting sick/injured, you can end up in a much deeper hole than you would in place with a support network that can help you ge…

He literally just said “my dad was a soldier in Latin America”.

Apparently moving countries is good enough for his dad but another city in the US I asking too much?

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