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Monkeys Love Their Alcohol

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> Monkeys usually only take one bite of a fruit before throwing the rest to the forest floor. … an important advantage when there’s such fierce competition for food. what.

Many tropical fruits are seasonal, and found in great abundance when in season. As the season ends, competition for that particular fruit might heat up, and they might turn to the semi-fermented leftover fruit under the tree.

Just to note, this behavior was not mentioned in the article at all.

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> Monkeys usually only take one bite of a fruit before throwing the rest to the forest floor Does anyone know why they do this?

Farming? Fruit contain seeds. Thrown on the ground they will sprout new trees.

Taking the bite might act as some sort of catalyst for germination.

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>Ethanol is far more calorie-rich and energy-rich than non-fermented sugars

That's true but there should't be any benefit in terms energy density since the energy content per mass unit in fermented fruit is lower than in unfermented. Yeast uses sugar as an energy source to grow and it converts the sugar into alcohol, CO2 and water as byproducts of its matabolism.

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"Another part of Dudley’s drunk monkey hypothesis is that, in moderation, alcohol consumption can actually be beneficial for humans and monkeys alike"

We have emphatically had to disprove this time and time again. No amount of alcohol is good for humans despite a heavy bias in our media that claims otherwise.

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"Another part of Dudley’s drunk monkey hypothesis is that, in moderation, alcohol consumption can actually be beneficial for humans and monkeys alike" We have emphatically had to disprove this time and time again. No amount of alcohol is good for humans despite a heavy bias in our media that claims otherwise.

I think to put a finer, nuanced point to it is that there is no positive net health benefit to alcohol consumption[1]. So the mindset should not be "a drink or two confers health benefits" but rather "this is harmful, so I have to make sure I don't do it too often or too much".

This is not my area of study, so any other views are helpful.

1=https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

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"Another part of Dudley’s drunk monkey hypothesis is that, in moderation, alcohol consumption can actually be beneficial for humans and monkeys alike" We have emphatically had to disprove this time and time again. No amount of alcohol is good for humans despite a heavy bias in our media that claims otherwise.

You talking about the study that made the rounds a few years back?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45283401

They found that out of 100,000 non-drinkers, 914 would develop an alcohol-related health problem such as cancer or suffer an injury.

But an extra four people would be affected if they drank one alcoholic drink a day.

A whole 0.004% extra risk!

Really conclusive finding that. Really emphatic...

The media really should have said 'study finds negligible damage from moderate drinking'.

But the media love hating on drinking, quite opposite to what you claim. You only have to open the guardian on any day in the month of January to see some article decrying the horrors of drinking.

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>Ethanol is far more calorie-rich and energy-rich than non-fermented sugars That's true but there should't be any benefit in terms energy density since the energy content per mass unit in fermented fruit is lower than in unfermented. Yeast uses sugar as an energy source to grow and it converts the sugar into alcohol, CO2 and water as byproducts of its matabolism.

Alcohol does have some calories of its own. I’m unsure to what degree that balances out the reduced sugar, though.

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I recall reading long ago, some researchers did an experiment where they planted tobacco on an isolated island with a monkey population. We already know monkeys will consume tobacco, but they assumed they learned by mimicking humans. The monkeys hated the fresh bitter leaves, but once they fell to the ground and cured, they took on a tobacco chewing habit pretty quickly.

> The monkeys hated the fresh bitter leaves, but once they fell to the ground and cured, they took on a tobacco chewing habit pretty quickly. I'm a bit distracted today, at first I thought it was the monkey who fell to the ground and was cured. nicotine as medicine :)

Nicotine has to be one of the worst drugs I’ve ever done. You get an annoying addiction but there’s not really any positive effects brides maintains the status quo of not being pissed off and frustrated.

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"Another part of Dudley’s drunk monkey hypothesis is that, in moderation, alcohol consumption can actually be beneficial for humans and monkeys alike" We have emphatically had to disprove this time and time again. No amount of alcohol is good for humans despite a heavy bias in our media that claims otherwise.

It didn't sink in for me until I happened to learn about the relationship between alcohol and cancer, especially breast cancer. In hindsight, the fact that I drank casually for years without knowing anything about that risk is disturbing to me.
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