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Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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Am I the only person here that finds Twitter a nice place? I'm careful about who I follow, most of whom are tech people or educators. My feed is a really nice place to go, and I can't remember the last time I read or saw anything that triggered me in the slightest. I'm seeing loads of comments about how toxic Twitter is, but isn't that on you? Don't follow or engage and the algorithm will skip you over.

I bet if I followed exclusively capybara accounts my blood pressure would drop 5-10 points.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#222

Am I the only person here that finds Twitter a nice place? I'm careful about who I follow, most of whom are tech people or educators. My feed is a really nice place to go, and I can't remember the last time I read or saw anything that triggered me in the slightest. I'm seeing loads of comments about how toxic Twitter is, but isn't that on you? Don't follow or engage and the algorithm will skip you over.

I don’t really understand this defense. It seems a bit like saying, “I don’t understand why people don’t like this neighborhood. Sure the murder rate is 10x the national average and cars are stolen off my block every week. But I built a big wall with razor wire around my house and just use Uber, and I have a great life! Why don’t more people just do that?”

Social media is designed in such a way that most engagement is somewhat mindless, so most people like and follow stuff they enjoy on a whim and then can’t easily connect the dots to how toxic stuff ended up in their feed. But beside that, even if you can understand exactly how to curate Twitter into something nice… why bother? There’s zero cost to just hang out in nicer parts of the internet, or, even better, talk to people IRL.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#223
> The sale would represent an admission by Twitter that its new chief executive Parag Agrawal, who took the helm in November, is not making enough traction in making the company more profitable

Is this so? Or just that the offered price is too good to pass up? Real questions.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #113

“Everything that isn’t illegal is allowed” sounds great until you see what that actually means on the internet. Anyone who has ever worked in content moderation / trust & safety knows what kind of unrelenting deluge of obnoxious / disturbing / spam-filled / miserable race to the bottom of the lizard brain stuff that is constantly being pushed back on any moderately popular social media site. It seems so easy from a d…

> It seems so easy from a distance

You seem to assume it's a binary answer. Either allow everything or nothing?

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#226

How did it go from hostility to acceptance so quickly? I understand playing hard-ball to negotiate a higher price, BUT why play hard-ball and just accept the initial offer? Or is there something else at play (maybe expectation is that shareholders reject it?) and this is just a PR ploy.

It seems very likely to me there's a whole backroom drama at work here that we're just not hearing about. I strongly suspect the full story involves Jack and his departure, for example.

Maybe someday it will all come out.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#227

I can empathise with both ends of the table here, but you have to agree that entering such a world of pain as moderating Twitter and re-shaping it's dynamics voluntary (and paying $43B for it!) is yet another thing done by Musk that you will see once in a lifetime. This is "bread and circuses" of our time.

Every really rich guy needs a media company of some description to provide their narrative control to maintain their wealth. 30 years ago a billionaire would have bought a newspaper to exert their influence, today you would buy social media sites to achieve the same.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #113

“Everything that isn’t illegal is allowed” sounds great until you see what that actually means on the internet. Anyone who has ever worked in content moderation / trust & safety knows what kind of unrelenting deluge of obnoxious / disturbing / spam-filled / miserable race to the bottom of the lizard brain stuff that is constantly being pushed back on any moderately popular social media site. It seems so easy from a d…

That obviously isn’t true. Musk already uses the platform as a tool for financial fraud.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

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post #113

“Everything that isn’t illegal is allowed” sounds great until you see what that actually means on the internet. Anyone who has ever worked in content moderation / trust & safety knows what kind of unrelenting deluge of obnoxious / disturbing / spam-filled / miserable race to the bottom of the lizard brain stuff that is constantly being pushed back on any moderately popular social media site. It seems so easy from a d…

Well, I'm going to be somewhat controversial here and say: What the fuck were people expecting?

Moderation is hard, genuinely hard, every order of magnitude increase in community size is not linear to the moderation requirement: it is factorial.

Why? Because every single communication has the potential for abuse, and the number of interactions on a platform do not scale linearly with the increase of users.

This is why things like the "Eternal September" exist, a deluge of new users is basically impossible to moderate at scale.

I think Twitter, Facebook and co. have done a fairly decent job of the mess they made, but crucially they decided that a walled garden where everyone exists together was their business model.

I think this is fundamentally flawed. "Back in my day" (I know it may be glazed with nostalgia, but) smaller close knit forums were much better at moderating communities, because it was still humanly possible.

There did exist some communities which became tyrannical; but the benefit of small communities is that people just go wherever it's "nice enough", and if you don't like the moderation staff or how they moderate you can move on with your friends.

I think people don't want this to be true, people are so financially invested in the centralised model; but ultimately you force a single set of potentially tyrannical moderators and a single culture. -- and people aren't willing (or able) to pay for the correct level of moderation.

It's Sisyphean and totally self-inflicted.

Re: Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources

#230

Am I the only person here that finds Twitter a nice place? I'm careful about who I follow, most of whom are tech people or educators. My feed is a really nice place to go, and I can't remember the last time I read or saw anything that triggered me in the slightest. I'm seeing loads of comments about how toxic Twitter is, but isn't that on you? Don't follow or engage and the algorithm will skip you over.

I also find twitter to be a nice place. I pretty much follow other developers and the option to order by datetime pretty much removes any attempt from twitter to control what I see.

>> I'm seeing loads of comments about how toxic Twitter is, but isn't that on you?

That is what I too think every time some says that.

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