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Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by mrep »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #283
zo1 wrote: post #219

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That is an oddly-specific restriction your partner is demanding.

Seems very reasonable to want women to have access to healthcare they might need in worst case scenarios. I would even throw in requirements of parental leave, amongst other basic protections. Assisted suicide comes to mind too.

If abortion law, something you can simply drive to another state for a once in a lifetime event is in your requirements for where you can live, don't be surprised when people roll their eyes at you when you bitch about housing costs. Penny wise pound foolish.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mrep wrote: post #391
lotsofpulp wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems very reasonable to want women to have access to healthcare they might need in worst case scenarios. I would even throw in requirements of parental leave, amongst other basic protections. Assisted suicide comes to mind too.

If abortion law, something you can simply drive to another state for a once in a lifetime event is in your requirements for where you can live, don't be surprised when people roll their eyes at you when you bitch about housing costs. Penny wise pound foolish.

One may also not want to contribute to those leaders on principle, and instead reward the other leaders even though it costs more.

Also, this type of stuff is costly to deal with, in terms of emotional and physical health, and probably even monetary costs:

https://www.thecut.com/2022/04/texas-woman-charged-with-murd...

> She miscarried at a hospital and allegedly confided to hospital staff that she had attempted to induce her own abortion and she was reported to the authorities by hospital administration or staff,”

Here, you have precedent being set that a woman should play it safe and withhold information from their healthcare provider, lest they be put through an ordeal like this.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by marcusverus »

skulk wrote: post #83
bufferoverflow wrote: post #56

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The problem with this narrative is that the job of the father isn't specified. He could've been a plumber/electrician/welder who would do really well in the current market. These jobs pay well above the minimum wage. The world has changed - simple labor that requires a few days of training doesn't pay much. Most jobs, with few exceptions, that require a decade of training, do pay well. That's why there's such a huge…

> He could've been a plumber/electrician/welder who would do really well in the current market. False. A plumber making $80k (US median seems to be around $60k) isn't going to be able to save up for a down payment if they're paying a typical mid-sized city's rent (~$1.2k a month). Not to mention housing costs going up during this period of saving up.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The median household income = 67K[0]. >60% of US households own a home.[1] Clearly 80K is more than enough to safe up for a down payment.

[0]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home-ownership_in_the_United_S...

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by polygamous_bat »

marcusverus wrote: post #393
skulk wrote: post #83

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> He could've been a plumber/electrician/welder who would do really well in the current market. False. A plumber making $80k (US median seems to be around $60k) isn't going to be able to save up for a down payment if they're paying a typical mid-sized city's rent (~$1.2k a month). Not to mention housing costs going up during this period of saving up.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The median household income = 67K[0]. >60% of US households own a home.[1] Clearly 80K is more than enough to safe up for a down payment. [0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home-ownership_in_the_United_S...

That is a logical fallacy: owning a home != buying a home, inheritance is a thing.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by polygamous_bat »

teakettle42 wrote: post #322
heavyset_go wrote: post #296

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Leaving your support network while already struggling means that things like free childcare from family now needs to be made up for with professional childcare, career prospects can be lower without your professional network, and should you fall on hard times, like being laid off, divorced or getting sick/injured, you can end up in a much deeper hole than you would in place with a support network that can help you ge…

Okay, then if the solution to unsustainable circumstances isn’t making changes to your own circumstances that are well within your power, what is the solution?

Discouraging home buying as an investment, which seems to be behind the crazy rise in home prices over the year, would be a good start.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by Clubber »

dghughes wrote: post #202
nineplay wrote: post #65

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Gen Z's parents are my age or younger and IME there were few people who graduated with a high school diploma and bought a house. I bought my first house at 39 though obviously the housing bubble had a lot to do with that. I never felt particularly worried about my lack of home ownership. Pre-kids it allows for a lot of flexibility, one can easily move around as desires and job opportunities change. I'm not sure why a…

>It seems like younger generations view of their parents times are getting rosier and rosier. I think so. Next will be Gen Alpha (apparently) who will complain about how easy Gen Z had it or maybe they'll blame Millenials. I'm Gen X and in a small town I was never able to afford a home. And now rent is nuts people are being kicked out for "reno-victions". My parents born in '43 and '44 managed to buy a house but with…

>dehumanize and blame previous generations for the current generations' problems is a dangerous trend.

It's been going on since as long as I've been alive. I'm mid-late GenX and I remember the news constantly telling me my generation is lazy. I remember them doing the same thing with GenY, and now GenZ, neither of which was true outside the norms of every generation. Modern news is a blight on society.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by sidewndr46 »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #395
marcusverus wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The median household income = 67K[0]. >60% of US households own a home.[1] Clearly 80K is more than enough to safe up for a down payment. [0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home-ownership_in_the_United_S...

That is a logical fallacy: owning a home != buying a home, inheritance is a thing.

To reinforce this, if you follow the links it states

> The term "home-ownership rate" can also be misleading because it includes households that owe on a mortgage.

Depending on your credit score and your down payment, you can wind up functionally renting a home for many years even if you "own" it on paper. It isn't until the final years of a 30 year mortgage that you actually significantly pay down the principal.

As long as interest rates remain low and the credit requirements are lax, most of America can in fact "own" a home. Expect prices to skyrocket, as buyers become more and more decoupled from the cost.

Re: Gen Z does not dream of labor

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Post by imtringued »

burlesona wrote: post #14

> “My dad got a job straight out of high school, saved up, and bought a house in his 20s,” said Anne Dakota, a 21-year-old receptionist from Asheville, North Carolina, who earns minimum wage. “I don’t even think that’s possible for me, at least with the current money I make.” I think this is pretty much the whole story. It’s very hard to be motivated to work when you could save your entire adult life and still strugg…

This is one of the most interesting aspects of our modern economy. We have rockets that go to space. We have nuclear weapons. We have automated industrial facilities. We have advanced healthcare. We have the internet and computers. We have basically everything, except the basics.

The reason for that is the same and will stay the same, for the entirety of humanity. Land is a finite resource that must be shared with other humans. Money is a public utility that must be shared with other humans. Humans don't like sharing these exclusive types of things.

You have these people complaining that India should "fix poverty" instead of doing a miniscule (by international standards) space program. The solution to homelessness requires existing landowners to give up their land. They don't want to give up their land, so instead, homelessness acts as the pressure relief valve/externality. In fact, homelessness is considered a price worth paying.

The same is true with money. People like having more money than they actually need. The ability to save against the wishes of other people and thereby indebt them is exactly what they want, the resulting unemployment is considered a price worth paying.

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