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Re: BYOT: Bring your own team for new-grads

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Post by texaslonghorn5 »

mediumiqsad wrote: post #28

Why did you select these institutions in particular? Carnegie Mellon University University of California, Berkeley Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cornell University Princeton University Stanford University California Institute of Technology Harvard University Yale University Dartmouth College Brown University Duke University …and which ones will be added soon?

Founders are CMU students; presumably the rest of the schools on the list are various name-brand private schools (plus Berkeley). Texas (and Illinois, Michigan, etc.) are notably missing from this first round list; that's the founders' loss.

Re: BYOT: Bring your own team for new-grads

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Post by mediumiqsad »

texaslonghorn5 wrote: post #31
mediumiqsad wrote: post #28

Why did you select these institutions in particular? Carnegie Mellon University University of California, Berkeley Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cornell University Princeton University Stanford University California Institute of Technology Harvard University Yale University Dartmouth College Brown University Duke University …and which ones will be added soon?

Founders are CMU students; presumably the rest of the schools on the list are various name-brand private schools (plus Berkeley). Texas (and Illinois, Michigan, etc.) are notably missing from this first round list; that's the founders' loss.

Wow; that’s a little gross if you ask me.

Re: BYOT: Bring your own team for new-grads

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Post by ajb »

grantjpowell wrote: post #14
ajb wrote: post #13

Interesting that they're doing this for new grads. I've thought about whether you could have a site like this for experienced teams. Lots of people stay at employers that suck, because they like their teammates and don't want to let them down. I think it would be a game changer if experienced teams could jump ship in one go. It would certainly benefit the new employer as the cost of hiring would be less, and the time…

Both of my tech jobs specifically have had non-solicitation clauses to prevent me from doing this type of thing. They both have 1 year lock outs on convincing my friends to quit their jobs

Of course. The question is whether there is some 'creative' way round it. We have enough startups that are creative with the law to weaken the position of individuals, with respect to privacy, employment, etc. Why not to strengthen it?

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Post by pjerem »

I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Working relations are not of the same nature as friends relations, they are less stable and they are, by default, less important. They are also highly affected by the company policies and by individual careers evolution. Ultimately, your relation with your coworkers is constrained by your individual roles in the company. Believe me, you don't want one of your best friends to become your manager.

I'd rather prefer my coworkers to become my friends, than my friends to become my coworkers.

Re: BYOT: Bring your own team for new-grads

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Post by onion2k »

rgbrgb wrote: post #22
gregdoesit wrote: post #2

As a former hiring manager, I am a little puzzled what the deal is for employers . New grad positions are usually the easiest to fill, by far - much easier than any software engineering position where you’re hiring for some former experience. Also, new grads are almost always put on a team with more experienced engineers - one new grad at a time. This is so they get mentorship, onboarding and taking team dynamics int…

They might be a good team. A team of undergrads built Facebook. Agree it could be a hard sell internally but if they had a track record of building great apps, I could see hiring them to build another one. That said, if a team is that strong they should probably start their own company.

They might be a good team. A team of undergrads built Facebook.

On the other hand, they might be a terrible team. A team of undergrads built Facebook.

Re: BYOT: Bring your own team for new-grads

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Post by onion2k »

Negotiate a salary to get a higher comp than you'd have gotten individually.

If groups of friends truly believe that they can earn more together, as soon as one person gets a good offer from a company that doesn't want to hire the whole group they'll have to choose to reject it, or to be the reason why their friends earn less. There will be companies that interview the whole team and then only make an offer to one of them.

This is going to kill some of college friendships.

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Post by [deleted] »

mapsdkhsd wrote: post #3
gregdoesit wrote: post #2

As a former hiring manager, I am a little puzzled what the deal is for employers . New grad positions are usually the easiest to fill, by far - much easier than any software engineering position where you’re hiring for some former experience. Also, new grads are almost always put on a team with more experienced engineers - one new grad at a time. This is so they get mentorship, onboarding and taking team dynamics int…

Indeed, that is one of the primary concerns on the employer side we've heard. It is easier to hire new grads for sure. Our solution to that is to offer highly desirable engineers. Our founding group is a set of high school friends, currently all juniors at Caltech, CMU, and MIT. In our first batch, we have numerous groups with high Putnam scores, high ranking competitive programmers, and 2+ FAANG internships. There w…

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Re: BYOT: Bring your own team for new-grads

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Post by yobbo »

My observations from university were that the people who always needed to be in the same group were also the lowest performers, the worst team mates, and the most sensitive to criticism. Their groups provided comfort and safety to them.

The ones who were used to working in different teams (because that's how their courses and schedules worked) were easily the best team mates.

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