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Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by shafyy »

isitmadeofglass wrote: post #118
greatpostman wrote: post #5

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Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding. Somehow people still think he’s just a showman. At some point in time, accomplishments can’t be explained away

> Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding. You don’t have to imagine. It literally already happened once when he claimed he had funding secured to take Tesla private. As such, if you can’t imagine him not having funding secured this time, you’re severely lacking in imagination.

In his latest TED interview [0], Musk said that he had the funding secured for that Tesla private offering. He said that he needed to settle with the SEC so that they wouldn't freeze Tesla's bank accounts, and as part of the settlement he needed to publicly say that he hadn't secured funding.

I don't think he's lying.

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdZZpaB2kDM

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by imgabe »

isitmadeofglass wrote: post #118
greatpostman wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding. Somehow people still think he’s just a showman. At some point in time, accomplishments can’t be explained away

> Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding. You don’t have to imagine. It literally already happened once when he claimed he had funding secured to take Tesla private. As such, if you can’t imagine him not having funding secured this time, you’re severely lacking in imagination.

He literally has like 5x the market cap of Twitter in net worth. Yeah, that makes it pretty hard to imagine that he couldn't secure funding. Not really the same as the Tesla tweet.

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by syshum »

arinlen wrote: post #148
sjtgraham wrote: post #82

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It’s not relevant. Is anyone expecting him to be the CEO? Far more likely he’s going to appoint competent operators to run Twitter. Whether this is a good outcome for the shareholders is the only germane point up for discussion IMO.

> It’s not relevant. Is anyone expecting him to be the CEO? The article quotes a shareholder rallying behind Musk's offer as justifying his support for Mr Musk's personal involvement. The article includes quotes from shareholders such as “He has an established track record at Tesla,” and “He is the catalyst to deliver strong operating performance at Twitter.” I'm not aware of a single instance where shareholders were…

Yet that is what he has done at both Tesla and SpaceX. He set the company vision and direction and his hand picked executives execute that...

I look forward to seeing who Elon pickes to replace all board members and executives at twitter

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by shafyy »

hef19898 wrote: post #163
hackerfromthefu wrote: post #159

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The chutzpah of your armchair analysis! You just called the most successful businessman in the world an 'utterly inept businessman'. Literally the wealthiest person in the world and all achieved through business success! Defined and successfully delivering on multiple new markets, with a string of serial successes.

Which new markets, after paypal? Cars? Rockets that go into space? Solar on roofs? Things carrying people through tunnels? And in all the successful cases he had massive contributions by others. He provided the money, which is huge in itself. The actual work eas done by others, and the fact the Musk fails to properly say so, and that his fanboys believe every single of his claims, truely makes him the Steve Jobs of 2…

> The actual work eas done by others, and the fact the Musk fails to properly say so

This is not true. He often mentions and emphasizes that the success is the work of his great teams. He also publicly acknowledged that he failed to do so in the past, but he is certainly doing it now.

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by assttoasstmgr »

panick21_ wrote: post #168
assttoasstmgr wrote: post #154

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It's not disinformation if you agree with the bots politically. Gotta keep that dopamine raging somehow. Also I've lost count of how much of last year's 'disinformation' became this year's 'that totally happened'.

Well, whatever but bots are just generally bat and annoying. The platform would be better without them.

Oh, absolutely. The platform is overrun with bots. Here's an interesting exercise to try: search for a unique phrase on Twitter and see how many results you get that are posting verbatim copypasta from seemingly "unique" accounts, especially around popular trending topics. Detecting this should not be too difficult I imagine.

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by raspberry1337 »

hef19898 wrote: post #163
hackerfromthefu wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chutzpah of your armchair analysis! You just called the most successful businessman in the world an 'utterly inept businessman'. Literally the wealthiest person in the world and all achieved through business success! Defined and successfully delivering on multiple new markets, with a string of serial successes.

Which new markets, after paypal? Cars? Rockets that go into space? Solar on roofs? Things carrying people through tunnels? And in all the successful cases he had massive contributions by others. He provided the money, which is huge in itself. The actual work eas done by others, and the fact the Musk fails to properly say so, and that his fanboys believe every single of his claims, truely makes him the Steve Jobs of 2…

>Which new markets, after paypal? Cars? Rockets that go into space?

Yes and yes

>The actual work eas done by others, and the fact the Musk fails to properly say so,

Give me one instance where Musk denies the work of his friends and colleagues at SpaceX and Tesla please, because this post reek of bad sentiment and an awful take.

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Post by darawk »

lozenge wrote: post #143
sjtgraham wrote: post #82

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It’s not relevant. Is anyone expecting him to be the CEO? Far more likely he’s going to appoint competent operators to run Twitter. Whether this is a good outcome for the shareholders is the only germane point up for discussion IMO.

I haven't seen much evidence he's good at delegating. Such as how he remains in control of his own Twitter despite the SEC warnings and penalties. He doesn't need to spend much time with his companies to damage them.

> I haven't seen much evidence he's good at delegating.

You think Elon Musk created two of the most valuable companies in the world without being good at delegating?

I think pretty highly of him, but not that highly.

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Post by paganel »

dehrmann wrote: post #131
greatpostman wrote: post #5

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Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding. Somehow people still think he’s just a showman. At some point in time, accomplishments can’t be explained away

The problem with lending to him is most of his assets are TSLA shares. It's arguably absurdly overvalued as an automaker, and any effort to liquidate his position would be expensive since it would drive the price down. Someone did it, but I'm sure some people passed. As someone else pointed out, TWTR isn't a great purchase, either. Its ad revenue isn't great, so if he defaults on the loan, the lender is stuck with an…

Tesla is a strategic asset for the US and for the West more generally speaking, even more so than SpaceX at this point, I personally don’t think it will be allowed to tank/go under.

I do agree that the stock is way over-valued when looking only at the economic fundamentals, but when one balances out the “the Chinese have all this battery thing all figured out!” vs “we only have Tesla on our side!” then things are different (and, yes, I know that the “Tesla batteries” are not 100% made by Tesla right now).

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Post by raspberry1337 »

hef19898 wrote: post #123
mlindner wrote: post #94

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> The point is, building tunnels underground for personal transport vehicles as a "solution" to traffic is a terrible idea, and something only a showman can sell. The fundamental point of boring company is to reduce the cost of underground boring. Shoving cars through tunnels is a means to an end of reducing the cost of underground boring. It's about finding a path to make some kind, any kind, of money off of boring…

So, like subways? Or every single road and train tunnel anywhere on the planet so far? Moving transportation underground is such revolutionary idea that it exists for a century by now.

>Moving transportation underground is such revolutionary idea that it exists for a century by now.

You ignored the essential part of his well written and detailed explanation - its not about the fact that its underground, but the cost of creating underground pathways, for cars or whatever. It saddens me that bad posts like yours infect HN.

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by tomp »

hef19898 wrote: post #163
hackerfromthefu wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chutzpah of your armchair analysis! You just called the most successful businessman in the world an 'utterly inept businessman'. Literally the wealthiest person in the world and all achieved through business success! Defined and successfully delivering on multiple new markets, with a string of serial successes.

Which new markets, after paypal? Cars? Rockets that go into space? Solar on roofs? Things carrying people through tunnels? And in all the successful cases he had massive contributions by others. He provided the money, which is huge in itself. The actual work eas done by others, and the fact the Musk fails to properly say so, and that his fanboys believe every single of his claims, truely makes him the Steve Jobs of 2…

> The actual work eas done by others,

Boeing probably has more and better engineers than SpaceX. Same with Toyota/Volkswagen compared to Tesla. Yet these companies simply cannot innovate. Talent (ability to do good work) is pointless without good leadership.

> the fact the Musk fails to properly say so

This is a lie.

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/15170727534756003...

> The failures are mine, the successes belong to others

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