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Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by FFRefresh »

andersco wrote: post #45
askafriend wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems a little dramatic to delete your account, don't you think?

It really depends on if he follows through on what he is proposing, which seems to be to allow for disinformation and hate speech. If that turns out to not be the case, then I might reconsider.

How do you currently measure the amount of disinformation and hate speech on Twitter's platform? And how do you define those terms currently?

I can promise you, no matter what he does, people/sites you follow will likely extol how terrible the platform has gotten with disinformation/hate speech, even if he does nothing. How will you protect against that negativity bias? Do you have an objective way to know whether it's gotten worse or not, or are you going to rely on anecdotes from the sources you follow?

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by smegma2 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #105
smegma2 wrote: post #100

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You know where I'm getting it. If I say: "could this be the worst presidency our country has seen?" It's clear that it's not a real question, but an assertion. Similarly, when someone says "could this be the end of Twitter?" they are suggesting that it is in fact the end of Twitter.

You're right that such a thing is common, but I don't get the "fake question" vibe at all - sincerely, I don't. Maybe the parent is committing that sin, for all I know, but to assume so seems unnecessarily hostile. It's not worded particularly provocatively, and the question of the direction Elon would take the platform and whether it could really be the beginning of the end, for some definition of end, has genuine v…

Sorry for assuming bad faith. It sounded like you were playing dumb in which case I feel there's no other way to respond.

I feel that 'assume good faith' has its limits since those who comment in bad faith have no restrictions while others are forced to respond as though nothing is wrong. So sometimes I feel the need to respond a bit more aggressively, maybe that's not in the goals of the site though.

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by vba616 »

samuelstros wrote: post #25
matthewdgreen wrote: post #8

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He’s not just a showman, but he is a showman. And it’s not like you have to dig back into ancient history to find instances where he invented a bid like this, he basically made up a bid for Tesla a few years ago and lied about having secured financing.

Internal chat between Musk and the Saudi investors just popped up on my twitter feed https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1518353213283442688 Doesn't seem like the funding secured thing was an outright lie.

What I've read is that they did not discuss numbers. People start from the assumption that rich people can get away with any kind of BS, but usually that doesn't apply amongst themselves. As the richest person in the world, perhaps Musk feels like he's a class unto himself, but others disagree.

You can just compare the current situation.

This time, he got letters from people with money saying he can have it, and on what basis. Now that we see it, isn't it obvious that is what "funding secured" means, even if we don't all know exactly how high finance works?

"Funding secured" wasn't a half-truth, it was an outright lie that sounded a little like a half truth. Very Trumpian.

Also, it's recently been reported that a judge declared the question of whether "funding secured" was a knowing lie closed, in the sense that the jury in related ongoing litigation will be told that it's not up to them to decide that point.

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by vba616 »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #21
matthewdgreen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s not just a showman, but he is a showman. And it’s not like you have to dig back into ancient history to find instances where he invented a bid like this, he basically made up a bid for Tesla a few years ago and lied about having secured financing.

> lied about having secured financing. He says he did have funding secured. He elaborated on the details in the recent TED talk. Do you have any privileged information about the incident or are you just casually calling someone a liar based on third-hand news you read online?

A judge recently said he was a liar and it was so far beyond dispute that a jury would not be allowed to decide for themselves, as they might be influenced by Musk's ongoing public BSing such as with the TED talk.

So, no, informed people are not "casually" calling him a liar.

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by encryptluks2 »

mlindner wrote: post #99
encryptluks2 wrote: post #84

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Maybe you somehow missed this? https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226 Musk has a trend of doing this with investments. It's purely speculative but I think it is reasonable to suggest based on Musk's previous actions I do not think he is serious about buying Twitter.

That's called "believing the accuser", and that statement didn't actually lead to him gaining any money. So I go back to my previous statement. Also there's recent news that Musk was forced to settle despite believing that he would have won the case because bankers were holding Tesla hostage.

So he paid 40 million just for fun?

Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

vba616 wrote: post #114
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lied about having secured financing. He says he did have funding secured. He elaborated on the details in the recent TED talk. Do you have any privileged information about the incident or are you just casually calling someone a liar based on third-hand news you read online?

A judge recently said he was a liar and it was so far beyond dispute that a jury would not be allowed to decide for themselves, as they might be influenced by Musk's ongoing public BSing such as with the TED talk. So, no, informed people are not "casually" calling him a liar.

> A judge recently said he was a liar

I sincerely doubt that. Judges don’t tend to talk that way, regardless of the case at hand.

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Post by isitmadeofglass »

greatpostman wrote: post #5
systemvoltage wrote: post #4

I guess HN was wrong (top comments) that Musk couldn't possibly have a way to finance his deal. And here we are.

Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding. Somehow people still think he’s just a showman. At some point in time, accomplishments can’t be explained away

> Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding.

You don’t have to imagine. It literally already happened once when he claimed he had funding secured to take Tesla private. As such, if you can’t imagine him not having funding secured this time, you’re severely lacking in imagination.

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Post by ygjb »

bombcar wrote: post #108
mlindner wrote: post #94

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> The point is, building tunnels underground for personal transport vehicles as a "solution" to traffic is a terrible idea, and something only a showman can sell. The fundamental point of boring company is to reduce the cost of underground boring. Shoving cars through tunnels is a means to an end of reducing the cost of underground boring. It's about finding a path to make some kind, any kind, of money off of boring…

Even if nothing else, a boring tunnel could be used for “remote parking garages” and if the tunnel robot takes your car ten miles away to store it what would you care as long as it was available when needed?

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Re: Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptive to a deal

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Post by bollox »

greatpostman wrote: post #5
systemvoltage wrote: post #4

I guess HN was wrong (top comments) that Musk couldn't possibly have a way to finance his deal. And here we are.

Really hard to imagine the richest and most accomplished dude on the planet not being able to secure funding. Somehow people still think he’s just a showman. At some point in time, accomplishments can’t be explained away

> most accomplished dude on the planet

No, just the most famous braggart. Other people, i.e. actual experts and professionals, did all the actual work that he likes to lay claim to accomplishing.

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