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Re: Project Gutenberg – Library of over 60k free eBooks

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I’ve read several books from Gutenberg over the years, a very good project. However, I’m surprised that it’s only 60K titles. The Google digitization project had over 1 million public domain titles as of 2008[1]. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Books

Theres a lot of weird old stuff floating around, which might not be what you think of when you think "book" but were actually published as books.

For example, governments often publish tranacripts of votes.

It's great that these exist, and are being digitised for scholars and historians, but its not what you'd go to your local library for.

https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL258109A/United_States._Arm....

Re: Project Gutenberg – Library of over 60k free eBooks

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I don’t read much. I bought an e-reader in 2014 and it has sat in a bin basically the whole time. But recently I discovered library genesis, which is full of pirated books in the vein of sci-hub. I dug up the old e-reader and I’m starting to read again. It’s amazing being able to just download and read a high quality epub of whatever book I have wanted to read. A lot of the books I actually own physical copies becaus…

Who is going to do the jobs that need doing but are not so pleasant - like washing dishes?

I also expect that making money is a prime motivator for artists, and also drives the quality of their work.

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I don’t read much. I bought an e-reader in 2014 and it has sat in a bin basically the whole time. But recently I discovered library genesis, which is full of pirated books in the vein of sci-hub. I dug up the old e-reader and I’m starting to read again. It’s amazing being able to just download and read a high quality epub of whatever book I have wanted to read. A lot of the books I actually own physical copies becaus…

Who is going to do the jobs that need doing but are not so pleasant - like washing dishes? I also expect that making money is a prime motivator for artists, and also drives the quality of their work.

> Who is going to do the jobs that need doing but are not so pleasant - like washing dishes?

Generally this work can either be done by machines, it can be done by the people who are eating the food, it can be done in rotation by all people who participate in the system, or it can be done by people who feel like washing dishes is their way to contribute back to society. I am definitely a big fan of the idea that to make this work, we need to intentionally automate more stuff. Right now minimum wage is so low that capitalist organizations are happy to just throw bodies at the problem, but you could easily use durable dishes that feed in to a little mechanized washer. Such a system would also benefit from centralization, so there are lower numbers of larger facilities. Or you could have a spoke and hub model where the main processing equipment is in the center and different restaurants share that infrastructure.

Finally I will say that there is already an existence proof of a culture that does this every day. The Sikhs in India operate facilities all over India that offer free food on a large scale (the largest facilities offer 50k-100k free meals a day). They have zero robots and it all works out for them. I'm sure if we work in robots and also change our attitudes, we can do it here. Take a look at this video, it is beautiful and deeply thought provoking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdoJroKUwu0

> I also expect that making money is a prime motivator for artists, and also drives the quality of their work.

I think you would find few people in the art community who agree with this. I am not an artist but that is my speculation. Also if you look at historical art, I don't think money was a prime motivator. You could also look at basketball. Probably most basketball players play because they enjoy it. I suspect very few only do it because they plan to get rich. Oh, and I did not say we should eliminate money. Artists could make money if they want to. It would just not be required for survival.

Re: Project Gutenberg – Library of over 60k free eBooks

#46
I like to use sed to replace names in books. For example I used the following command to create Josh's Adventures In Wonderland

curl https://www.gutenberg.org/files/11/11-0.txt | sed 's/Alice/Josh/g' > Joshs-adventures-in-wonderland.txt

There are endless possibilities of fun. I'm thinking about doing 1984 next.

Re: Project Gutenberg – Library of over 60k free eBooks

#47
There is an Australian version of this link: http://gutenberg.net.au . There are quite a few books there that are not in gutenberg.org because the Aus. version observes Australian copyright law. You won't find much R.A. Freeman, for example, in the parent but almost his entire œuvre can be found on the Aussie site.

Re: Project Gutenberg – Library of over 60k free eBooks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is going to do the jobs that need doing but are not so pleasant - like washing dishes? I also expect that making money is a prime motivator for artists, and also drives the quality of their work.

> Who is going to do the jobs that need doing but are not so pleasant - like washing dishes? Generally this work can either be done by machines, it can be done by the people who are eating the food, it can be done in rotation by all people who participate in the system, or it can be done by people who feel like washing dishes is their way to contribute back to society. I am definitely a big fan of the idea that to ma…

> I think you would find few people in the art community who agree with this.

I happen to know some successful artists (you'd recognize their names), and they are very much in it for the big bucks.

You will find many who say they are in it for the purity, but their actions belie it.

BTW, your ideal society has a name, it's called a "commune". Communes have been tried over and over in history. Something like 10,000 have been set up in the US. The result? 100% failure.

One hundred percent.

You don't have to believe me. It's perfectly legal to set up a commune in the US. Set one up with your like-minded friends. Throw your hat in the ring. Prove me wrong.

AFAIK, 0% of them have produced any art anyone considered great.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who is going to do the jobs that need doing but are not so pleasant - like washing dishes? Generally this work can either be done by machines, it can be done by the people who are eating the food, it can be done in rotation by all people who participate in the system, or it can be done by people who feel like washing dishes is their way to contribute back to society. I am definitely a big fan of the idea that to ma…

> I think you would find few people in the art community who agree with this. I happen to know some successful artists (you'd recognize their names), and they are very much in it for the big bucks. You will find many who say they are in it for the purity, but their actions belie it. BTW, your ideal society has a name, it's called a "commune". Communes have been tried over and over in history. Something like 10,000 ha…

A commune in isolation can not protect itself. Another more aggressive group will overtake them given time. That's why I don't believe that end-goal communism or anarchism could ever work (where the former is contrary to many people's idea, is about small communes, not some Big Government). But with a necessarily strong government it is absolutely not impossible to scale a small commune to a whole country. Pair it with the best kind of democracy (as that is an entirely different axis) we have and I also on the opinion that many of today's problems could be solved.

But even in today's capitalist system UBI could be implemented relatively easily paid for by tax money.

Re: Project Gutenberg – Library of over 60k free eBooks

#50

I met the founder Michael Hart at the 2006 HOPE conference, and with a couple of people we all caught lunch together. I was very sad when I heard of his passing. I'm sure I made no impression on him, but he made a big one on me: He was very enthusiastic about technology making information available (and of course books) to the developing world. I wasn't sure how that would happen, but he told me cellphones would do i…

So were a lot of people.

The smartphones of the time were pretty clunky, didn't have good ecosystems, and required expensive/limited data plans.

Whereas OLPC was familiar and supposedly cheap and there were other cheap laptops coming in too.

Also, people raised on PCs with keyboards just couldn't imagine doing real work on a phone. I think many of us are still shocked at how a lot of kids are perfectly fine with and even prefer doing everything on their phone.

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