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Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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[Wow! --first time I've hit HN's post character limit!] Now, someone said they have this kind of attitude as a way of targeting their offering towards more tech-minded people and deterring the more needy users. And, at first, I thought; "OK. Fair enough". But, the more I thought about it the more it started sounding a bit like Steve Jobs. If I sign up and find it's not to my needs, I basically get told to fuck off be…

FTR I've migrated from Google Apps to Migadu and I'm pretty happy with them but I must say the "acceptable use" clause also raised my suspicion. I guess they don't scan your email automatically but when someone brings to their attention that you're using the service for "unacceptable things" they will trigger the termination. Which, to be honest, happens with other providers even if that's not in the ToS (see Cloudfl…

  >I guess they don't scan your email automatically but when someone brings to their attention that you're using the service for "unacceptable things" 
Maybe they don't. But, as I said in another comment, I'd prefer not to depend on what I think they mean, when they might actually mean something else.

Besides, as I said in the original post who decides what is 'socially acceptable'? It's not too long ago that being gay or trans might have been construed as 'socially unacceptable'.

Who decides what's 'Nazi'? Vlad the Mad seems to think he's liberating Ukraine from Nazis. The west seems to think he's the goose-stepper. A sizeable number of commenters on HN have been accused of being Nazis, coz they disagreed with someone else.

Who decides what's immoral? That's probably the vaguest one of the lot. Morality is an individual thing. I'm sure there are things I'd consider immoral that you wouldn't and vice versa.

Nope. I don't care what the mechanics of the censuring process are. But I know I don't want to trust my correspondence to a company which sets itself up as an arbitrator of social acceptability and morality.

Imagine if your snail mail postman opened your letters and refused to deliver any he didn't approve of.

Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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I’ve been using pobox.com (acquired by Fastmail) for the past 3 months after doing a lot of research just like you. They have very decent pricing, support custom domains and multiple aliases/accounts, + addressing etc. So far looks pretty good albeit simple!

Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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Hey, thanks for the post. I was going to migrate some of my mailboxes to Zoho (ones that mostly receive netflix receipts and junkmail), can you elaborate about lack of unicode support? I can't find anything with a cursory web search.

My name has an accented character in it. It also begins with a lower case letter. Zoho's sign up form force-capitalised the name and also told me to 'only use letters and underscores' when I entered my name. I should make clear this was when trying to fill in my real name on the sign-up form, not the email username [I know they can't have accented chars]

Similarly with Runbox. It allowed me to enter my name properly when signing up. But in the name part of the 'from' field of the test emails I sent, it replaced the accented character with a � as in my email 'from' line rendered as F�rstname Lastname ---like something from the 1980s!

Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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I've used migadu and worked really well. I also have some domains using lunanode - great deal if you have other vps with them but have subjectively experienced more downtime.

Migadu just added master password support so can now dsync easily with another dovecot server (ie backups, move, etc). My next config will probably be migadu + selfhosted vps.

Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTR I've migrated from Google Apps to Migadu and I'm pretty happy with them but I must say the "acceptable use" clause also raised my suspicion. I guess they don't scan your email automatically but when someone brings to their attention that you're using the service for "unacceptable things" they will trigger the termination. Which, to be honest, happens with other providers even if that's not in the ToS (see Cloudfl…

>I guess they don't scan your email automatically but when someone brings to their attention that you're using the service for "unacceptable things" Maybe they don't. But, as I said in another comment, I'd prefer not to depend on what I think they mean, when they might actually mean something else. Besides, as I said in the original post who decides what is 'socially acceptable'? It's not too long ago that being gay…

More like if you send hate mail to someone and they complain to the post office, then the post office will stop sending your mail.

Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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I'd advise against MXRoute: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30225685

Maybe you will have a better time than I, but MXRoute is more opinionated than I'd like my mail provider to be. If you are ruling out Migadu, you might rule out MXRoute on the same grounds.

Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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> Quite apart from the fact that this implies that Migadu are scanning the content of every email that their users send; what the actual fuck is a bloody email server company doing, taking on the role of arbitrating what is 'Nazi', 'immoral' or 'socially unacceptable'? Do they mention anywhere that they are actually scanning the content and/or metadata? I'd assume this just means that if they get reports about using…

>Do they mention anywhere that they are actually scanning the content and/or metadata? No. But they don't say they aren't either. I prefer not to rely on "I thought you meant..." "No, we actually meant..." when it comes to contracts.

Most if not all email providers do that when they get phishing or spam alert (every user can send those) to check out if that message is actually a threat. Maybe the best option for you is to setup your own email server which is fairly simple this days.

Re: Ask HN: Migadu? Postale? Mxroute? Or any other mail services using this model?

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I've used Migadu for several years after switching from Google Apps. Technologically, I've been pretty satisfied. I have a lot of custom domains that I may want to use different users/mailboxes on and Migadu's pricing model makes that pretty easy.

In 2020, there was some turmoil with Migadu where they nearly (or completely) doubled their prices and didn't communicate it well. I was paying 45/yr then abruptly started paying 90/yr on the same/equivalent plan. They also took away a couple of features purported to be the cause behind some performance issues they had. During that time, their service was strained. Many users, me included, didn't realize there was an issue until no e-mail was received for days. Support just said "sorry" and that there was a post about it on their website. I think this situation soured a lot of users. You can read about it, including some of Migadu's response, if you search this site, reddit, and lowendtalk.

I agree with you that their speech codes in the TOS are sketchy, ambiguous, and trite. I'm not sending or receiving any e-mail like that, but I don't trust contemporary definitions for those topics. I've been considering another provider when my subscription is due for renewal because of the price change.

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