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For my whole life, I have been dealing with bursts of motivation where I am extremely productive for several days, followed by weeks-long slumps. This yo-yo behavior does not let a person develop their skills or build anything substantial. According to my observations, people usually start working towards a goal following a temporary spike in motivation. It lasts a few days at most. Usually, it is not enough for peop…

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Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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haha I tried this on my own before, donating to a food shelter every time I binged, it got expensive.

I actually used to make my friends promise to give away my money if I failed to do whatever. But it never really worked that great because I would always make some plausible excuse and my friends would let it slide and eventually just give my money back.

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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For all the people asking how this differs from Beeminder: my first reaction was "finally, a version of Beeminder that lets me pay $1000!"

Beeminder is obviously amazing, but it really "loses its sting" when you can't set a penalty higher than $25 (give or take -- I don't know what the current limit is).

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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this reminds me of beeminder.com I like the idea of adding financial incentive to stick to habits etc, but i would be uncomfortable with having to deposit money, why not just take a CC and charge it if I break the contract? also: what prevents me from just lying about whether I did the thing I promised to do?

From what I have seen, depositing before making the commitment makes you much more likely to succeed. Seeing the money leave your account creates a lot of psychological pressure that otherwise doesn't exist.

The verification system is not fool proof. If you put some effort into forging proof you will succeed. However, I do not believe most people who willingly sign up for this would do that.

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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I strongly believe external motivation kills the inner motivation. Maybe that is the goal here, by killing it completely so you can't ever think of depending on it(?). For me personally, I always found these kind of tools that helps trick one's self into doing or not doing things, very soul crushing. It's almost like trying to beat yourself into submission, disowning the part of yourself. If you can't make yourself to do something, maybe you shouldn't do it?

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you incorporated? Are you a non-profit? How do you make money?

We are a New York LLC. We're not incorporated at the moment. We make money through a subscription model. We do not make anything from the contracts because it seemed wrong to profit from our users failing. We want our incentives to be aligned correctly!

> We do not make anything from the contracts because it seemed wrong to profit from our users failing. We want our incentives to be aligned correctly!

I assumed that the monthly fee was on top of a percentage fee on lost bets, which other platforms charge. You should make this more prominent on the site — aligned incentives are great!

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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this reminds me of beeminder.com I like the idea of adding financial incentive to stick to habits etc, but i would be uncomfortable with having to deposit money, why not just take a CC and charge it if I break the contract? also: what prevents me from just lying about whether I did the thing I promised to do?

A lot of us know what's good for us... doesn't mean it's always easy to do. This is just another way of making it a little easier to actually do what you know is good for you.

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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For all the people asking how this differs from Beeminder: my first reaction was "finally, a version of Beeminder that lets me pay $1000!" Beeminder is obviously amazing, but it really "loses its sting" when you can't set a penalty higher than $25 (give or take -- I don't know what the current limit is).

Exactly! I have used beeminder and stickk. But there were a few things that bugged me about them.

1) Theres no option to have a referee that isn't friends or family

2) Its automated, and no human actually checks up to see if you are staying on track.

3) You can't really set huge stakes

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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I strongly believe external motivation kills the inner motivation. Maybe that is the goal here, by killing it completely so you can't ever think of depending on it(?). For me personally, I always found these kind of tools that helps trick one's self into doing or not doing things, very soul crushing. It's almost like trying to beat yourself into submission, disowning the part of yourself. If you can't make yourself t…

The role of this is to bridge the gaps between the spikes of internal motivation.

A lot of times people start working on something new and for the first few days they have enough motivation to stick with it. But when that disappears a lot of people just quit. They don't stick with the new activity long enough for the next surge of internal motivation.

We believe this service can help people grind it out for a week or two until they get a surge of internal motivation and no longer need us.

Re: Show HN: WorkOrPay – Set goals, form contracts, pay a penalty if you fail

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I strongly believe external motivation kills the inner motivation. Maybe that is the goal here, by killing it completely so you can't ever think of depending on it(?). For me personally, I always found these kind of tools that helps trick one's self into doing or not doing things, very soul crushing. It's almost like trying to beat yourself into submission, disowning the part of yourself. If you can't make yourself t…

I think this is for when your inner motivation is already waning. You obviously don't need to do this if you're already super motivated.
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