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No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by rendall »

xpe wrote: post #163

Does the author self-declare their philosophical and political beliefs? In my view, doing so is necessary for an author to be intellectually honest and open. Generally speaking, I'm not looking for an author to 'sneak in' a belief by way of a good narrative. I've read similar commentary by a socially conservative author writing under a pen name (Theodore Dalyrimple) [1]. He wrote a highly selective account that match…

The argument should be true, or not, whatever the author's leanings. Why would you find an argument more or less convincing were the arguer to label themselves?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by d23 »

le-mark wrote: post #77
d23 wrote: post #44

Do people find this stuff compelling? Rank speculation and confident assertion with minimal substantive backing? I’d find this statement equally compelling (which is to say, not at all): > Since we stopped using horses as a primary means of transportation, men’s sense of self worth has diminished. Riding a horse carried a lot of high status connotations: drive, masculinity, towering above the land, and man’s dominati…

Nicely articulate point, that you for taking the time.

Thanks. I initially thought “what’s the point” but didn’t have anything better to do.

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Post by bannedbybros »

rayiner wrote: post #3

This is an important read, especially this part. > This highly educated and affluent person prioritized stability for her own children. But refused to publicly endorse this value so that less fortunate children could also benefit from family stability. I’m from a rigidly socially conservative immigrant family that professes fashionably liberal values in public—imposing a double standard between “us” and “Americans.”…

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by meken »

bawolff wrote: post #34

I found this article confusing. It seems to be claiming that differing social norms leads to unstable lower class families. But a) im pretty sure being a deadbeat dad is still considred bad among all social classes b) if that was the case, why is this disporpotionately affecting lower class. Do middle class have different norms? C) the article talks about a woman who broke up with her partner because he was a shit pa…

kicked to the curb *

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #109
cebert wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is likely fine because our southern border is porous and anyone can walk right in. I don’t see any indication that this will change. The benefit is even if the US birth rate is declining, we have an influx of younger individuals who can help keep the economy going.

Except that the US will look and operate more and more like wherever these people came from.

In 100 years or less, whites will be the minority in the US.

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Post by alexashka »

d23 wrote: post #44

Do people find this stuff compelling? Rank speculation and confident assertion with minimal substantive backing? I’d find this statement equally compelling (which is to say, not at all): > Since we stopped using horses as a primary means of transportation, men’s sense of self worth has diminished. Riding a horse carried a lot of high status connotations: drive, masculinity, towering above the land, and man’s dominati…

The substance is missing, but at least the subject matter is interesting.

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Post by colechristensen »

alex_young wrote: post #220

> Children living with both biological parents > Affluent families in 1960: 95% > Working class families in 1960: 95% > Affluent families in 2005: 85% > Working class families in 2005: 30% Ok. Maybe that has something to do with this: More than six out of every ten American households (64.7%) in the bottom fifth of households by income had no earners in 2020. In contrast, only 4.5% of the households in the top fifth…

>bottom fifth of households by income had no earners in 2020

Can we not use covid era numbers?

A whole bunch of people were earning more money by not working during and taking unemployment during covid. You can't make social conclusions about economics during those distorted times.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

archhn wrote: post #53

We're living in an utterly corrupt society. I know the middle class types on here don't like to hear it, but it's true. At the bottom of society, one can see clearly how bad it is. In the middle, you are insulated in your little suburban homes with your inflated sense of self-worth. Many people here are outright slaves. They are trapped in a predatory system that prevents them from gaining any dignity. It should be n…

>We're living in an utterly corrupt society. I know the middle class types on here don't like to hear it, but it's true. At the bottom of society, one can see clearly how bad it is. In the middle, you are insulated in your little suburban homes with your inflated sense of self-worth

It's a fairly accurate representation of the way things are, as I see it.

>This can't last forever.

I think this was the way it was since time immemorial. Probably worse.

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Post by notacoward »

sandworm101 wrote: post #119
rayiner wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a matter of luck—men in my dad’s village in Bangladesh start families, have kids, and live relatively happy lives in poverty even most poor Americans could not comprehend. I don’t think it’s fair to call all these guys incels. As the article observes, most just have no expectations placed on them, and also have no way of attaining dignity and social worth through the avenues in life reasonably available to t…

It is sunday morning. I'm at work (military). Part of that job is checking in with people at a half-dozen other locations who are also at work on a sunday morning. they just happen to all be hetero guys, which is not unusual in the military no matter the day. So I asked in our chat whether they had wives/girlfriends at home today. "No." "Nope." "My car is my GF" and "Rocking a peppi shirt under my uniform". These are…

Also...

It is Sunday morning. That means a lot of people are at church (and who is might be related to the demographic observation you've made). Is the message they're hearing one of hope or despair? Or are they not even listening? I'm not going to blame everything on religion, as tempting as that is, but for a non-trivial minority that might be part of who feels included or excluded and why they react as they do.

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Post by raverbashing »

what-the-grump wrote: post #51
rayiner wrote: post #3

This is an important read, especially this part. > This highly educated and affluent person prioritized stability for her own children. But refused to publicly endorse this value so that less fortunate children could also benefit from family stability. I’m from a rigidly socially conservative immigrant family that professes fashionably liberal values in public—imposing a double standard between “us” and “Americans.”…

Yay the patriarchy! :)

Actually the patriarchy traditionally would not see deadbeat dads with good eyes.

There is plenty of reasons to be critical of the patriarchy, but in this aspect they were right.

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