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Moving women into the workforce as certainly reduced fecundidity and marriage.
Same with moving men into the workforce. If people had more free time they'd have more kids.
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> when you have kids for no reason, they know they’re here for no reason, and it’s a formula for a disaffected person. That does not make any sense. Most older generations did not choose to have children (certainly not as much as we do) and it did not result in generations being "disaffected". If anything that's exactly the opposite - we are the generation when we have full control of who gets born and there's never…
> Most older generations did not choose to have children Birth control and family planning aren't a new invention.
well they're newer than Television if you're talking about effective birth control and family planning. And I mean effectiveness has risen since the first invention of the pill to where you really can control and plan things pretty well.
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While it is true that there are people who actually do propose completely defunding police activity or abolishing the police, they are a tiny minority of those who took part in protests about police behavior towards non-white communities. It's so easy to make cheap digs about that handful of people instead of actually tackle the issues that this misnamed movement was/is really about. If it had actually been called "R…
I hear what you're saying, but words matter. I can never support a slogan I explicitly disagree with. There's plenty of better slogans out there. I'd support "end police violence" or "stop killer cops" or something. Thats certainly much more catchy than the full slogan right now, which seems to be "Defund the police, but we don't really want to do that, even though some people in our movement actually do want that, b…
"End Police Violence" has been a slogan in fact. It didn't really do much, precisely because not enough people who consider themselves unaffected by the risk of police violence were drawn in by it.
By contrast "Defund the Police" definitely generated a "say what?" response from just about everyone, whether you agreed with it or not.
As for the political power thing ... given the difficulty that existing politicians and political bodies have in exerting control over police authority, the idea that any new group would somehow be able to actually accomplish anything remotely close to abolition is crazy. Look at what happened in Minneapolis as an illustrative example: probably the closest to "actual abolition", and it just fizzled out completely.
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#215This is an important read, especially this part. > This highly educated and affluent person prioritized stability for her own children. But refused to publicly endorse this value so that less fortunate children could also benefit from family stability. I’m from a rigidly socially conservative immigrant family that professes fashionably liberal values in public—imposing a double standard between “us” and “Americans.”…
> America so thoroughly that the head of the “conservative” party is a three-times-divorced man of little character. I think that’s an interesting point. The political window has shifted further and further left in recent years. The fact is he’s not the head of the conservative moment, he’s the head of the Republican Party. There are differing factions and he promised something most in the party could support. For ex…
Support for states rights was wildly inconsistent and dependent on the issue. The focus on domestic production was largely via anti free-trade protectionist policies. The foreign policy was largely unipolar and anti-nato.
Trump is absolutely not a small-c conservative. He's more like a European right wing populist than Reagan or Bush sr.
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#216We're living in an utterly corrupt society. I know the middle class types on here don't like to hear it, but it's true. At the bottom of society, one can see clearly how bad it is. In the middle, you are insulated in your little suburban homes with your inflated sense of self-worth. Many people here are outright slaves. They are trapped in a predatory system that prevents them from gaining any dignity. It should be n…
That's not true! Poor people can escape if they live perfectly and don't make a single mistake and don't get unlucky. /S
(Unlucky = health emergency, family emergency, wrong place wrong time, etc - advantaged people have accidents and mistakes but they have money and safety nets that catch them)
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Interesting. What do you attribute this to? Is it mostly just lifestyle choice? Or would most of them prefer to have a wife/gf but don't have one for whatever reason?
A stable job just doesn't compete anymore. Single heterosexual girls want guys with prospects and/or family money. Some of these guys are afraid of dating, afraid that something might go wrong that could impact their careers. Deployments have also changed. Soldiers don't date or even talk to local girls anymore. Interestingly, many of these guys are also stone-sober. Not recovering alcoholics. They just don't drink.…
Do they have other social life, or just their job? I would suspect we've changed into being less social, not seeing friends either (replacing it with other entertainment or stuff to do).
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#218I can appreciate this perspective because I used to have it. I even wrote a similar blog post 10 years ago - it was on the top of HN and the comment section was a beautiful shitshow. For me, this perspective was a good story to tell myself - it justified why I was only investing my time in “work”, and validated me for having “come so far”. Over time, I have reflected and shifted this perspective. That reflection cent…
Can’t you invalidate all social commentary with this argument? Surely there are trends in society that can be remarked on generally.
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#220> Children living with both biological parents
> Affluent families in 1960: 95% > Working class families in 1960: 95%
> Affluent families in 2005: 85% > Working class families in 2005: 30%
Ok. Maybe that has something to do with this:
More than six out of every ten American households (64.7%) in the bottom fifth of households by income had no earners in 2020. In contrast, only 4.5% of the households in the top fifth of households had no earners last year, providing more evidence of the strong relationship between average household income and income earners per household.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/explaining-us-income-inequali...