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No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by meken »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #118
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #99

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A large supply of men who DGAF and don't have much holding them down is how you get really serious social instability. They might not be beating their wives but let it roll unchecked for 20yr and it gets bad.

Men who DGAF aren't the same as "incels". You and GP aren't at odds with one another. And yes, it is somewhat ironic society is making the exact same mistakes it has before: forgetting how destructive a large population of uninterested young men is towards society, without ever having to be violent.

Could you say more about this?

What historical events are you referring to?

I consider myself a disaffected male, and am curious to understand my situation from a historical perspective.

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Post by gilbetron »

slickrick216 wrote: post #41
greatpostman wrote: post #20

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Why would you be banned for this. People are different?

By my reading, he is saying that it isn't about socioeconomic status, but the race of the person that is causing things. Aka, simple racism.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by mrwh »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #150
BurningFrog wrote: post #121

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OP wrote "lucky" but probably meant "fortunate".

Can you define the difference (Serious question)?

My sense of the distinction: luck is rare. Not everyone can be lucky, by definition. Fortune doesn't have the property. For example, one could say that everyone who grows up in a liberal democracy is fortunate.

Something which requires luck to achieve is by definition unachievable by most. Something which requires good fortune could, in a better world, be had by all.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by sandworm101 »

jonahx wrote: post #156
sandworm101 wrote: post #119

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It is sunday morning. I'm at work (military). Part of that job is checking in with people at a half-dozen other locations who are also at work on a sunday morning. they just happen to all be hetero guys, which is not unusual in the military no matter the day. So I asked in our chat whether they had wives/girlfriends at home today. "No." "Nope." "My car is my GF" and "Rocking a peppi shirt under my uniform". These are…

Interesting. What do you attribute this to? Is it mostly just lifestyle choice? Or would most of them prefer to have a wife/gf but don't have one for whatever reason?

A stable job just doesn't compete anymore. Single heterosexual girls want guys with prospects and/or family money. Some of these guys are afraid of dating, afraid that something might go wrong that could impact their careers. Deployments have also changed. Soldiers don't date or even talk to local girls anymore. Interestingly, many of these guys are also stone-sober. Not recovering alcoholics. They just don't drink. They don't ever hook up at bars. That bar scene you see in every military movie never happens. They always seem to be on guard for situations that might hurt their career. COVID-related lockdowns haven't helped either.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by josephg »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #85
nikanj wrote: post #52

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Counterpoint: it’s easy to support abolishing the police, when a clogged milk foamer is the biggest threat to your personal safety. Live in a wonderful sheltered community, say ”I don’t see why we would need law enforcement”

While it is true that there are people who actually do propose completely defunding police activity or abolishing the police, they are a tiny minority of those who took part in protests about police behavior towards non-white communities. It's so easy to make cheap digs about that handful of people instead of actually tackle the issues that this misnamed movement was/is really about. If it had actually been called "R…

I hear what you're saying, but words matter. I can never support a slogan I explicitly disagree with.

There's plenty of better slogans out there. I'd support "end police violence" or "stop killer cops" or something.

Thats certainly much more catchy than the full slogan right now, which seems to be "Defund the police, but we don't really want to do that, even though some people in our movement actually do want that, but they're a minority - we swear. But we want political power anyway and it'll be fine - you can trust us".

You can tell its a bad slogan because of how much oxygen gets spent explaining it. (Eg, right here)

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by eastbound »

gumby wrote: post #19

It’s interesting to read these (plausible, far from absurd) analyses from the Anglosphere when we have an alternative to compare, to whit the northern European democracies where marriage is in steep decline across all social classes yet the societies are more successful (at least if your metrics are things like poverty rates, lifetimes, nutrition, stress, etc).

Being expert in male/female statistics, the EU is generally only 4% far from USA gender statistics, and closing in on a 10-year delay. The only difference between USA and EU is that it is exaggerated in the media, while the trends which happen in EU have already been experienced in USA so people have already had time to get used to it, therefore news are less sensationalist.

In other words, your impression that EU culture, statistics or law are different from USA is not verifiable in measurements. I agree however, that we think we are immune to USA problems when we live in EU.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by bobcostas55 »

yummypaint wrote: post #140
Helitioo wrote: post #7

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We need to find a better reason why this happens. I don't believe it's liberal social values which are not lived by. First of I would believe it's an educational problem and second it's a 'who cares' problem. There are plenty of areas/ghettos of low income and low education around. The blog also contains the following: "The people with the most money and education—the class most responsible for shaping culture and cu…

Schools in the US are funded by property tax. It makes no sense to do that unless the goal is to keep everyone in their place and prevent kids born into poorer areas from competing on equal footing with the children of wealthy people.

Schools in poor areas have higher funding than schools in rich areas, the property tax funding is only one part of where schools get their money from. See this report for example: https://nces.ed.gov/pubs95/web/95300.asp (it's a bit old but nothing substantive has changed).

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Post by lyaa »

t0suj4 wrote: post #95
Helitioo wrote: post #7

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We need to find a better reason why this happens. I don't believe it's liberal social values which are not lived by. First of I would believe it's an educational problem and second it's a 'who cares' problem. There are plenty of areas/ghettos of low income and low education around. The blog also contains the following: "The people with the most money and education—the class most responsible for shaping culture and cu…

From what I've heard the problem are divorce courts granting women nearly everything. That rigs the game against dads. Marriage is a huge liability. Men are gambling with nearly all their lives on their partner's unwillingness into a divorce. On the other hand I've heard rumors where therapists were suggesting divorce to married women. I don't know how widespread that is but maybe something worth looking into.

As far as I know, in the US, the custody and house/apartment is almost always given to the parent who /wants/ the children. Men often don't fight for custody. They should.

Also, the division of assets is not out of proportion I think. If I got married and my partner left the workforce to take care of the home/children, I do think they should get their fair share of assets in case of divorce.

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Post by noisy_boy »

sandworm101 wrote: post #119
rayiner wrote: post #74

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It’s not a matter of luck—men in my dad’s village in Bangladesh start families, have kids, and live relatively happy lives in poverty even most poor Americans could not comprehend. I don’t think it’s fair to call all these guys incels. As the article observes, most just have no expectations placed on them, and also have no way of attaining dignity and social worth through the avenues in life reasonably available to t…

It is sunday morning. I'm at work (military). Part of that job is checking in with people at a half-dozen other locations who are also at work on a sunday morning. they just happen to all be hetero guys, which is not unusual in the military no matter the day. So I asked in our chat whether they had wives/girlfriends at home today. "No." "Nope." "My car is my GF" and "Rocking a peppi shirt under my uniform". These are…

Military marriages are double hard due to the nature of the job. Couple that with broken marriages being more like the norm, one can't blame if they don't want to risk their mental and financial stability.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by bredren »

sandworm101 wrote: post #119
rayiner wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a matter of luck—men in my dad’s village in Bangladesh start families, have kids, and live relatively happy lives in poverty even most poor Americans could not comprehend. I don’t think it’s fair to call all these guys incels. As the article observes, most just have no expectations placed on them, and also have no way of attaining dignity and social worth through the avenues in life reasonably available to t…

It is sunday morning. I'm at work (military). Part of that job is checking in with people at a half-dozen other locations who are also at work on a sunday morning. they just happen to all be hetero guys, which is not unusual in the military no matter the day. So I asked in our chat whether they had wives/girlfriends at home today. "No." "Nope." "My car is my GF" and "Rocking a peppi shirt under my uniform". These are…

Do they play video games?
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