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Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by EdwardDiego »

philwelch wrote: post #123
frosted-flakes wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole world does not hate Russians. On the contrary, I've seen a lot of empathy for Russians abroad and in Russia who do not support the invasion of and atrocities in the Ukraine but still have to suffer because of the Russian government's, or rather Vladimir Putin's, actions. Obviously, yes, Russians who express support for Putin are hated, rightfully so.

I think that’s what a silent majority of reasonable people might think, but there is still a ton of indiscriminate anti-Russian bigotry going around.

I guess it doesn't help when there's footage of mass graves in Ukraine. (I'm aware that they've been publicised via Ukrainian PR, so the truth may be blurry, but given that the French just published footage of soldiers burying bodies in Mali, that they claim are Russian mercenaries trying to carry out a false flag attack, I'm inclined to believe that the Ukrainians didn't kill a bunch of their own citizens to make Russia look bad).

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by EdwardDiego »

inkyoto wrote: post #187
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less than a hundred years ago russians marched into my country and tried to murder every man and rape every woman. Now they're marching into Ukraine and doing the same. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you just want to "feel good" about how woke you percieve yourself to be, all the while living comfortably very far from a russian border, I'd wager. All this seems just overblown bigotry to you.

> Less than a hundred years ago russians marched into my country and tried to murder every man and rape every woman . You had better back such a sweeping statement up with hard facts and numbers as its emotional quotient veers past the red line. The history of the human race is so rife with examples of polity A committing atrocities against people of polity B under pretexts 1, 2, … N that it does not take long of pok…

The Red Army raping its way through Germany (not sure if that is the country the comment you're replying to was referring to), is pretty well documented and agreed upon by everyone other than Russian historians.

> Finland joined Nazi Germany as an ally and participated in the invasion of the Soviet Union

When you linked to an article on the Continuation War, did you wonder why it was called the Continuation War? Not the War of Finnish Aggression?

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by emteycz »

native_samples wrote: post #189
emteycz wrote: post #177

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I still have few "made in CCCP" things at home. All of them were unbelievably shit compared to their western not-competition at the time of manufacture. Especially computers, while the west already had Windows and internet and 3.5" floppies, 8bits with tapes were just getting started here - and of course it all was a copy of western designs. And most of it was made outside Russia anyways - e. g. they used Czechoslova…

But the argument here is not that they'll have to make do with lower quality parts. It's that they won't be able to get or make the parts they need at all . That is a very different and much less likely argument, especially as there are still many countries they're trading with through which imports can be routed.

No, today it's the same. They're thousands of miles away from today's precision manufacturing. They won't be able to make usable parts. If they try to use whatever they produce, their machines will likely explode, or at least grind to halt.

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

inkyoto wrote: post #187
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less than a hundred years ago russians marched into my country and tried to murder every man and rape every woman. Now they're marching into Ukraine and doing the same. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you just want to "feel good" about how woke you percieve yourself to be, all the while living comfortably very far from a russian border, I'd wager. All this seems just overblown bigotry to you.

> Less than a hundred years ago russians marched into my country and tried to murder every man and rape every woman . You had better back such a sweeping statement up with hard facts and numbers as its emotional quotient veers past the red line. The history of the human race is so rife with examples of polity A committing atrocities against people of polity B under pretexts 1, 2, … N that it does not take long of pok…

The soviet union illegally and unprovoked invaded Finland in 1939 and conquered territory. Then:

On 22 June 1941, Germany launched an invasion of the Soviet Union. Three days later, the Soviet Union conducted an air raid on Finnish cities, prompting Finland to declare war and allow German troops stationed in Finland to begin offensive warfare. By September 1941, Finland had regained its post–Winter War concessions to the Soviet Union: the Karelian Isthmus and Ladoga Karelia. However, the Finnish Army continued the offensive past the pre-1939 border during the conquest of East Karelia, including Petrozavodsk, and halted only around 30–32 km (19–20 mi) from the centre of Leningrad. It participated in besieging the city by cutting the northern supply routes and by digging in until 1944.

So the war you are talking about started with, again, the soviet union bombing Finland. We got hella mad and pushed them back, reclaiming our lost territories. Did we march further into russia than we needed to? Sure. Was there precedent? Absolutely. Am I a bigot for hating russians? Fuck no.

Some prisoners of war dying of malnutrition or disease is hardly an evil act from a tiny nation of farmers struggling to feed themselves while fighting to survive invasion from russia.

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

inkyoto wrote: post #186
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstand my statement. I didn't mean that "every invasion is by russian people", I meant that "when russia invades, it's the russian people doing the invasion not their leaders".

Top political leadership physically heading the country's troops in the battlefield has been unheard of since medieval ages, as this role has been delegated to the military commandership and to the army it commands long since then. Therefore I find it illogical to award the term of «statement» to the way you have chained an aggregation of words as it does not parse as a semantically or a historically valid «statement…

I don't know what ethnics has to do with it. If it waves the flag it's of the nation. Russia is a nation of russian people. A nation with a history of illegal invasion of its peaceful neighbors, including mine.

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by Mikeb85 »

philwelch wrote: post #123
frosted-flakes wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole world does not hate Russians. On the contrary, I've seen a lot of empathy for Russians abroad and in Russia who do not support the invasion of and atrocities in the Ukraine but still have to suffer because of the Russian government's, or rather Vladimir Putin's, actions. Obviously, yes, Russians who express support for Putin are hated, rightfully so.

I think that’s what a silent majority of reasonable people might think, but there is still a ton of indiscriminate anti-Russian bigotry going around.

And they're committing a literal genocide while Russians abroad are silent or tacitly supporting it.

When Ukrainians are no longer being killed then we can talk about hurt feelings...

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by inkyoto »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #194
inkyoto wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Less than a hundred years ago russians marched into my country and tried to murder every man and rape every woman . You had better back such a sweeping statement up with hard facts and numbers as its emotional quotient veers past the red line. The history of the human race is so rife with examples of polity A committing atrocities against people of polity B under pretexts 1, 2, … N that it does not take long of pok…

The soviet union illegally and unprovoked invaded Finland in 1939 and conquered territory. Then: On 22 June 1941, Germany launched an invasion of the Soviet Union. Three days later, the Soviet Union conducted an air raid on Finnish cities, prompting Finland to declare war and allow German troops stationed in Finland to begin offensive warfare. By September 1941, Finland had regained its post–Winter War concessions to…

> The soviet union illegally and unprovoked invaded Finland in 1939 and conquered territory.

The Soviet invasion of Finland in 1940? Yes, it was absolutely illegal, and I irrevocably concede with that fact. Finnish alliance with Nazi Germany to regain previously and forcibly ceded territories? Yes, I [can] accept that. Selective ethnic cleansing specifically targeting the ethnic Russians purely on the pretext of Karelia being the cradle of Kalevala and of the nation? Hardly so – for it is an attempt to impose and extend a sense of collective guilt upon an entire ethnic group of people for the misdeeds of their leadership they may not have agreed with.

I also note that you have evaded to provide any evidence to back up your prior statement being «Less than a hundred years ago russians marched into my country and tried to murder every man and rape every woman». Strong statements require strong evidence. The human history is full of highly unpleasant truths, but – to be able to arrive at an objective assessment of any historical situation – one has to immerse themselves in each side of the story, no matter how unpleasant it is/was. Cherry picking truths that selectively suit or support one side of the story is not an option in such a case.

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by Mikeb85 »

ComradePhil wrote: post #150
michalu wrote: post #103

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"Russians abroad and in Russia who do not support the invasion" lol like Russians abroad have a choice ... it's funny to observe how the west from it's high moral ground and use or 'isms' left and right goes on to full on support of nazism. I guess nobody gave an F about Ukraine until now and all those mainstream media articles from 2014-2021 about nazism problem and anti-russian atrocities have gone ignored. Apparen…

The western media has been working extra hard to suppress Nazism in Ukraine: https://mobile.twitter.com/elaadeliahu/status/15179484439222...

I see only Ukrainian symbols in that video. Only yellow and blue. No extremist symbols.

The extremist elements of Azov have long since been weeded out. And do you know where the word Azov comes from? Sea of Azov, ie. where Mariupol is. Have you seen pictures of what the Russians have done to Mariupol?

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by troon-lover »

lostmsu wrote: post #171
lr1970 wrote: post #166

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> Brexit (loss of an economy 4x larger than Russia's) is not having a terrible effect on the EU. By Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) the GDP of Russia (4,365,443 $MM) is larger than the GDP of UK (3,751,845 $MM) [1]. Stating that UK economy is 4x of Russia's does not seem to have a basic in reality. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

Why would you use PPP in this case? PPP makes sense only for individuals spending their money.

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Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Post by sieabahlpark »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #190
lionkor wrote: post #73

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Issue is that only the west is sanctioning them, not e.g. China. By sanctioning them we are just strengthening the Russia-China, India, etc. relationships. To think the world relies on the west to a point where its existential is a bit excessive, in my opinion

China's interest in a relationship with Russia is solely predicated on what it can do for China. Same for everyone else, I guess. But it leads to the question, what _can_ more trading with Russia do, that China can't get elsewhere?

Wow the world's manufacturing plant wonders what it can get out of having Russia be an exclusive customer.

No way that can't backfire on the US! I swear a lot of arguments completely ignore how willing China is to put down the West.

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