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No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by blueflow »

recuter wrote: post #25
sandworm101 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incels are a part, not all of that group. But they are a percentage. A greater number of perpetually single men, those who do in fact want a family as opposed to thise who chose not to have one, does mean a greater number of radical incels. Even without going full radical incel, a great many single males lose hope and lose thier drive to achieve. I work with some. They just dont care about work/money/stability/future…

I'm curios if there is a female equivalent of a radical incel?

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by dnndev »

PaulHoule wrote: post #11

A counter is that other countries (Japan, Korea, Italy, ...) that enforce traditional values have had a collapse in the birth rate. Having children out of wedlock is a safety valve for broken institutions that keeps the birth rate higher in the US than comparable countries; that plus relatively open integration helps us maintain our economy, welfare state, pensions, etc. If we turned the screws on women and men to di…

What about married couples that decide not to have children ? The truth is it’s hard, and if the community does not support families then you have less children. Think about both parents working full time + and barely having enough to provide from a material standpoint, let along emotional and education.

Point is parenting is hard and life today makes it harder. I don’t believe wedlock is a deciding reason for people having children.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by causality0 »

What happened?

The article makes some fantastic and insightful points but one thing it ignores that I think is important is the fact we started paying people not to get married in the form of increased public benefits for single parents.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by bawolff »

I found this article confusing.

It seems to be claiming that differing social norms leads to unstable lower class families.

But a) im pretty sure being a deadbeat dad is still considred bad among all social classes

b) if that was the case, why is this disporpotionately affecting lower class. Do middle class have different norms?

C) the article talks about a woman who broke up with her partner because he was a shit partner. Isn't that the opposite of the thesis of the article? Man did not meet expectations so was kicked to the curve?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

Helitioo wrote: post #7
rayiner wrote: post #3

This is an important read, especially this part. > This highly educated and affluent person prioritized stability for her own children. But refused to publicly endorse this value so that less fortunate children could also benefit from family stability. I’m from a rigidly socially conservative immigrant family that professes fashionably liberal values in public—imposing a double standard between “us” and “Americans.”…

We need to find a better reason why this happens. I don't believe it's liberal social values which are not lived by. First of I would believe it's an educational problem and second it's a 'who cares' problem. There are plenty of areas/ghettos of low income and low education around. The blog also contains the following: "The people with the most money and education—the class most responsible for shaping culture and cu…

> We need to find a better reason why this happens. I don't believe it's liberal social values which are not lived by.

So we need to find a reason that you agree with. Not a better reason.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by nottorp »

gumby wrote: post #19

It’s interesting to read these (plausible, far from absurd) analyses from the Anglosphere when we have an alternative to compare, to whit the northern European democracies where marriage is in steep decline across all social classes yet the societies are more successful (at least if your metrics are things like poverty rates, lifetimes, nutrition, stress, etc).

US thinkers have no idea what a social safety net is so they draw their conclusions without taking that option into account.

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Post by hans1729 »

greatpostman wrote: post #20

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Your comment implies that you categorically deny correlations between social security and psychological development and well-being. Intellectually, I find this provoking, see maslows pyramid. Would you please give your audience and your comment the slightly more nuanced elaboration they deserve?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by unpopularopp »

recuter wrote: post #25
sandworm101 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incels are a part, not all of that group. But they are a percentage. A greater number of perpetually single men, those who do in fact want a family as opposed to thise who chose not to have one, does mean a greater number of radical incels. Even without going full radical incel, a great many single males lose hope and lose thier drive to achieve. I work with some. They just dont care about work/money/stability/future…

I'm curios if there is a female equivalent of a radical incel?

/r/TwoXChromosomes/

(which is funnily one of the most toxic subs I have ever seen but reddit dare to touch it)

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by refurb »

Helitioo wrote: post #7
rayiner wrote: post #3

This is an important read, especially this part. > This highly educated and affluent person prioritized stability for her own children. But refused to publicly endorse this value so that less fortunate children could also benefit from family stability. I’m from a rigidly socially conservative immigrant family that professes fashionably liberal values in public—imposing a double standard between “us” and “Americans.”…

We need to find a better reason why this happens. I don't believe it's liberal social values which are not lived by. First of I would believe it's an educational problem and second it's a 'who cares' problem. There are plenty of areas/ghettos of low income and low education around. The blog also contains the following: "The people with the most money and education—the class most responsible for shaping culture and cu…

They undermine it by:

- claiming a single parent household is no worse for children than a two parent household

- claiming men have no particular importance in the raising of children

- financially supporting (in some cases subsidizing) single parent families

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by gryson »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #27
PaulHoule wrote: post #11

A counter is that other countries (Japan, Korea, Italy, ...) that enforce traditional values have had a collapse in the birth rate. Having children out of wedlock is a safety valve for broken institutions that keeps the birth rate higher in the US than comparable countries; that plus relatively open integration helps us maintain our economy, welfare state, pensions, etc. If we turned the screws on women and men to di…

I think this is also in part (in addition to the immigration) because the US overall is a pretty happy country, compared to places like Korea or Japan. It is still possible to afford to have children, though increasingly difficult.

A "happy country"? I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. In terms of the cost of having children, though, it is far more affordable in Japan than the US. Almost all childbirth costs are covered by the government, and free nursery school is also provided to all.
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