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Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by gojomo »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #21
hkmurakami wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was excruciating to listen to the interviewer's little interjections. These little affirmations are what you're supposedly "supposed to do" in conversation, but boy does it sound _awful_ for an interview. It was eye opening for me in this regard as well - know your setting.

I thought the questions were great, and I suspect you're being a little sexist and ageist. Sexist in that if Charlie Rose asked exactly the same questions with his Charlie Rose manner, you wouldn't be as upset, and ageist in that the interviewer was clearly quite young. Woz is a lifelong teacher, and is as dedicated to supporting young people learn as anyone, and you're here shitting on their work. She's not Oprah ye…

People weren't too keen on Rose's interruptions of Torvalds on this recent thread, either:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3096121

TC has an addendum saying the woman asking the questions was just another member of the public, not a reporter. The interrupting (and misreading) of Wozniak does seem very callow.

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by erikpukinskis »

redthrowaway wrote: post #28
erikpukinskis wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the questions were great, and I suspect you're being a little sexist and ageist. Sexist in that if Charlie Rose asked exactly the same questions with his Charlie Rose manner, you wouldn't be as upset, and ageist in that the interviewer was clearly quite young. Woz is a lifelong teacher, and is as dedicated to supporting young people learn as anyone, and you're here shitting on their work. She's not Oprah ye…

Sorry, you couldn't be further from the truth. I was objecting to her because she was bad , not because she's a young woman. Also, as to the whole "taking it seriously" part: please don't confuse genuine disagreement (I think you're very, very wrong) with prejudice. I don't take your comment as a personal attack, but rather as grossly misguided. I'm not offended by the labels of sexism and ageism, principally because…

Thanks for your reply. Like I said, all I have is my suspicions. I don't claim to know the truth. I don't think any of us really does.

However, when you say "you couldn't be further from the truth", is that the result of you rewatching the video, while considering the possibility that you might, in part, as I qualified from the beginning, be seeing her differently than you'd see a man? Or is it the result of your immediate reaction, because of your uninterruptable certainty that you surely would never do something so sexist?

Just curious. If you've genuinely considered the possibility, that's all I can reasonably ask. For my part, I'm happy to have raised my suspicion, even though HN obviously thinks quite lowly of this line of thought.

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by baddox »

thematt wrote: post #27

Somewhat off-topic, but in order for Woz to get an iPhone he has to stand in line at an Apple store? Am I understanding that right...or is it just for publicity sake? I would've thought he would have enough connections inside to get a phone long before launch day and certainly not through a retail store.

As he said himself, he can get an iPhone mailed to his house if he wants one. He said he just likes the experience of waiting in line.

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by jcfrei »

thematt wrote: post #27

Somewhat off-topic, but in order for Woz to get an iPhone he has to stand in line at an Apple store? Am I understanding that right...or is it just for publicity sake? I would've thought he would have enough connections inside to get a phone long before launch day and certainly not through a retail store.

a previous (very interesting) interview on techcrunch explains why he's standing in while: http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/14/steve-wozniak-on-how-the-ip... it's about the "experience"

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by zacharycohn »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #32
redthrowaway wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, you couldn't be further from the truth. I was objecting to her because she was bad , not because she's a young woman. Also, as to the whole "taking it seriously" part: please don't confuse genuine disagreement (I think you're very, very wrong) with prejudice. I don't take your comment as a personal attack, but rather as grossly misguided. I'm not offended by the labels of sexism and ageism, principally because…

Thanks for your reply. Like I said, all I have is my suspicions. I don't claim to know the truth. I don't think any of us really does. However, when you say "you couldn't be further from the truth", is that the result of you rewatching the video, while considering the possibility that you might, in part , as I qualified from the beginning, be seeing her differently than you'd see a man? Or is it the result of your im…

Not everything comes down to gender wars.

Isn't it best to judge someone not on the color of their skin or what they have in their pants, but by the quality of their work? If their work (in this case, an interview) is bad, then it's bad. It doesn't matter if the interviewer is 14 or 40, male or female.

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by johnx123-up »

jedberg wrote: post #14
gallerytungsten wrote: post #4

Apple's best move would probably be to immediately bring back Woz in a more hands-on role.

Unless that role were an engineering role, I don't think he'd be interested.

Interview suggests that he's equally capable on marketing too.

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by calibraxis »

ebaysucks wrote: post #23
erikpukinskis wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the questions were great, and I suspect you're being a little sexist and ageist. Sexist in that if Charlie Rose asked exactly the same questions with his Charlie Rose manner, you wouldn't be as upset, and ageist in that the interviewer was clearly quite young. Woz is a lifelong teacher, and is as dedicated to supporting young people learn as anyone, and you're here shitting on their work. She's not Oprah ye…

You scored a 2 out of 4 on the most common insults that are quickly losing their value: Racist, homophobe, sexist, ageist.

I don't think they're insults, but rather statements of (possible) fact. I'm aware of my sexism, living in a sexist society; have acted sexist and will continue to be sexist. It's like someone pointing out that I have bad habits when programming. Always useful to identify points of improvement. Especially in a male-dominated industry like software development, it's always something to reflect upon.

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by biot »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #32
redthrowaway wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, you couldn't be further from the truth. I was objecting to her because she was bad , not because she's a young woman. Also, as to the whole "taking it seriously" part: please don't confuse genuine disagreement (I think you're very, very wrong) with prejudice. I don't take your comment as a personal attack, but rather as grossly misguided. I'm not offended by the labels of sexism and ageism, principally because…

Thanks for your reply. Like I said, all I have is my suspicions. I don't claim to know the truth. I don't think any of us really does. However, when you say "you couldn't be further from the truth", is that the result of you rewatching the video, while considering the possibility that you might, in part , as I qualified from the beginning, be seeing her differently than you'd see a man? Or is it the result of your im…

Man up and own your words. You went on for several paragraphs calling hkmurakami out for sexism and ageism, yet you now backpedal and claim not to know the truth and that nobody does. If you really believed that you would not have posted your original reply since you wouldn't have known the truth about what hkmurakami was thinking.

Re: Woz on Apple: 'I'm a little afraid'

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Post by rickdangerous1 »

navs wrote: post #3

Oh Woz, I'd wait in a line for days just to talk to you. Being a technical man, I'm surprised in how he reacted to those 'technical terms' that were mentioned. Listening to this, I felt he knew exactly what Apple was/is and strives to be. If he still elicits respect from the current Apple camp, wouldn't he be a good choice to take over Steve Job's role? If not a CEO, an advisor? I say this not knowing a thing about c…

I'm reading his book iWoz at the moment. In that he makes it clear he's never wanted to be a manager. He didn't/doesn't want to control other people etc. In fact, he only agreed to leave HP and join apple (after designing and building the apple I and II in his spare time) when he realized he could be in his own company and still stay as an engineer.
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