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Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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WhatsApp, Messenger, or even Instagram are all potential alternatives. All from the Facebook family.

I mean, every other IM software is an alternative. The point is that how do you get everyone on the same platform.

Which is why I mentioned those three in particular, pretty easy to get everyone to use one.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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I have a company issued iPhone, and the atrocious notification system is enough to assure I will not buy an iPhone personally. If notifications in iOS were ever completely overhauled to the Android model, I would probably jump ship.

Funny. Samsung notifications are a reason I will never buy a Samsung phone again. iOS notifications can be customised to suit my desire.

Bixby and the Samsung crap are the reasons I'll never buy a Samsung phone. The only redeeming thing is that they're not made in China.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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The $399 iPhone SE is currently on it's sixth year of OS updates.

Android phones don't break even if they stop getting updates. Big popular apps like Firefox, Kindle, etc. work on old versions of Android like 6.0. $400+ is still a steep upfront cost to a lot of people.

> Android phones don't break even if they stop getting updates.

So when Google issues a kernel patch for an actively exploited zero day you aren't vulnerable?

Don't be ridiculous.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Any of several alternative OSs have small-to-no ties to Google, though Google is a heavyweight in the Android Open Source Project (AOSP). E.g. my phone runs GrapheneOS, and it is doing that while I am not logged in to a Google account, running any Google-branded software, or seeing any pings to the panoply of xxx.google.com sites. Check out CalyxOS or DivestOS as well.

Okay, but did you buy it like that or did you put in work to de-Google your phone? You mention GrapheneOS. Is your phone manufacturer Google? Do you run Google Play Services?

Bought a stock p5a, stuck on Graphene through the web installer, added apps from F-droid and Aurora. No Google stuff. A hell of a lot of apps run without even installing the Google services framework, and Aurora sure helps: anything requiring GSF is noted in the app descriptions.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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> E.g. if you want to buy some FLAC music files from somewhere else, it won't "just work" anymore. The thing is nobody* does that. There are a few. That’s why I added the asterisk. But realistically very few people actually do it. Especially compared to the number of iPhones they sell every year. If you were using MP3 files, you wouldn’t have an issue. Or AAC. There might even be others. Apple really likes to make th…

> The thing is nobody* does that. Because it is difficult to do. > If you’re the kind of person who wants to do things that are far out of the mainstream you’re never going to be happy with an iPhone. FLACs are not the act of an extremist.

> Because it is difficult to do.

No, at this point I think the vast majority of people just use streaming services.

The second biggest group, but probably much smaller, it’s people like me who both have a library and a streaming service.

After that, smaller again, I would assume it’s people who have just a library. The majority of these are probably files bought from Apple and Microsoft and Amazon. Those are all formats that the iPhone can play.

In last place is people who use more unique formats like FLAC. I understand why you would want it over the other formats. But I think it’s by far the least common case.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Maybe a lot of people are just really tired of crappy android phones and want to try the other side of the fence. I’m not referring to the nicer phones like the pixel or some of the galaxy phones. But the cheaper phones that are often given away for free. I’m not saying that’s everything, just a guess. I’m kind of surprised the difference is as big as 8%.

The Android vs iOS graphs don't tell us a lot since Android is the accumulation of many devices across various brands, while iOS is just Apple's iPhone. Dividing the share by brand or even by price point reveals the true competition in the market, Apple performs well in their category and regularly achieves the most sold smartphone. When figures were available these also revealed that Apple took home the majority of…

I don’t know how to find this but I would be interested to see a graph of iOS versus Android for high-end phones only. Say $429+ since that’s what a new SE starts at.

Samsung obviously sells a lot of high-end phones, but so many Android makers have trouble competing in the high end I wonder if there’s much left to go around after Apple.

Or maybe I’m just totally wrong.

But the numbers we see are usually overall, including whether you paid $100 or $1500.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Based on the overwhelming Apple bias of comments here I did not expect to see that Android was 70% of the market and iPhone was 27% of the market, with iOS also declining ~3% recently.

I personally love my Android device and using my iPad is kind of torture. It feels like being transported back in time to 2014. The springboard hasn't changed in a decade and wasn't great when it was introduced (auto-arrange icons to the top left, as far from your fingers as possible, with no ability to lock icons and build muscle memory? What is this 2014?)

You open the App Store and things like "Temple Run" and other bangers from the 2012 era are prominently displayed. It's like nothing changes.

I do like iPhone for my parents, it's very easy for me to offer tech support over the phone.

I think ultimately it's nice not to be a slave to the status symbol culture. Most people I know with the expensive phones... it's only about status.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Long time Google fanboy here, and I'm honestly a hair's breadth away from buying an iphone 13. I have had nexus/pixels phones since the gnex. I have evangelized android to for almost as long. I did ground work for google by pushing people into google's services. I have a day 1 pixel 6 pro. I pay for cloud storage and yt premium. But to me google is just falling apart. I feel like they have lost their technology drive…

I switched recently, and honestly have found the experience on iPhone to broadly be worse. There are a few things that are a bit nicer, but the downgrade in the notifications system alone just tanks the experience. That said I switched for mostly privacy reasons, so won't be going back.

I switched as well and it's actually such a "pick the lesser evil" situation and I hate that.

I'm gonna write a quick comparison as I've switched between platforms several times (still miss my Windows Phone tbh though):

I've found that no matter which Android "iphone camera killer" phone I got, the camera was unreliable and always ended up having crappy results. Meanwhile, my iPhone pics are constantly a decent quality.

Somehow, iPhone screens _consistently_ shatter for me. Even when I'm careful. I've yet to break the screen on an Android phone -- even if I've used it significantly longer or it was significantly cheaper. Something about iPhone's design or manufacturing lends it to shattering. My current iPhone has a shattered back from when I dropped it on my soft carpet from a foot up-high about a year in...

iPhone and Android software both sucks but Android's app experience is _significantly_ better. Why? BACK BUTTON. Every iPhone app has different expectations around going "back" from swiping up, left, right, or just having no way to go "back" at all. Which is common. Good Android apps are _great_; however, most iPhone apps are ok and most Android apps are not even ok.

iMessage isn't great but it's hard to give up on it. SMS/MMS experience _sucks_ -- so knowing when someone will get your 5 minute audio message in good quality is actually really nice. Sending pictures between platforms _sucks_. With that said, Android's web interface for messages is a million times better than the iMessage app and obv cross-platform.

I also absolutely hate getting data off an iPhone. it's unreliable especially if you don't have a mac. The Android experience is so much nicer.

So it's kind of a give and take. :/

Also -- less notification/customization options on the iPhone but having a hardware "silent" button is rad.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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If Apple would give me a web interface for iMessage, so I could send/receive messages from a Windows machine… I'd switch back to an iPhone in a second.

I ditched macOS and iOS after major issues with the butterfly keyboards, and switching back to Windows. If iOS were more Windows-friendly in that way, it'd seal the deal.

But that'll probably never happen.

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