As someone who has no idea what happens on TikTok, this article was confusing.
It's r/tulpas without My Little Pony
“Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist
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#122I'm friends with someone who has clinical DID. It is, as near as I can tell, not induced by media, etc, but by extreme and profound trauma. > The people who have traditionally been treated for DID have suffered, greatly, and not in the cool arty time-to-dye-my-hair-again type of suffering common to social media performance, but actual, painful, pitiable suffering. Those patients who have been diagnosed in the past wi…
I dated someone who had it- was beaten heavily during their childhood formative years, and told me that the separation of identities was a means of coping. It seemed like an extreme emotional compartmentalization which left them with a fractured sense of self. Some people might say that they could have just been pulling an elaborate hoax on me from a year and a half. But the amount of acting it would have required ju…
Do they lose memory when switching personalities? I’d imagine it’d be awkward if one personality didn’t know they were dating someone.
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#123A woman I knew had one personality that would basically be a party girl with all it's connotations and then turn to being a highly religious god fearing woman, again, with all the connotations that go with it. She even had 2 different names. One for each personality. And she referred to the 2 personalities as if they were 2 distinct individuals. I happen to catch it by accident as she tried to keep the different personalities separate so she would try to keep the related social groups separate too. I think she was aware of the 2 and thought nothing of the transformations from one to the other which she made with out much fuss. My guess is that she had such an overwhelming need to be one, but she could not let go of it, that she created a second personality to satisfy her needs. It was very strange to deal with her in different settings. The personalities were different enough that I could tell who was who by looking at her.
I've never met someone like that again. She was well aware of it so I don't think it was a mental condition that needed to be treated. I've often suspected that there must be a few people that have such a deep need to be someone else that they get lost in what ever second personality they create and lose touch with reality only to be brought back by their real life situation. It might not be multiple personality disorder but it has to be a flavor of it.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dude has exactly zero expertise in the field or experience with this population, and yet he makes these kinds of claims. And all based on an article or two he found. Pathetic. Almost every psychiatric diagnosis is problematic, and articles questioning any's validity can be dug up. Doesn't mean the emotional/cognitive/behavioral cluster does not exist. The link between trauma and disassociation is incontrovertible, an…
No matter what one might think of Freddie deBoer, it is worth being aware of his own experience with psychosis. While this is not the same thing as DID, it did give him relatively deep personal insight into aspects of serious psychiatric disorder: https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/since-you-asked There re still plenty of people who have a severe distaste for his writing, his political views and his behavior, and I…
"I have ADHD so I'm an expert on autism."
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#125Self-interpretations can't really be right or wrong. Science can't tell you how you should see yourself. That said, there are self-interpretations that seem pretty self-destructive, and seeing yourself as having multiple identities seems like one.
> there are self-interpretations that seem pretty self-destructive
That's the counter argument to your previous assertion. A self-interpretation is wrong if it destroys the self. By destroying the interpreter (the self), the interpretation becomes an unfalsifiable claim.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It can be successfully argued that the political left have adopted the drama and status of victimhood in a way that hasn't been done before in mainstream politics It absolutely has. The martyr/persecution complex is a central elements of dominionist Christian politics.
I'm fairly sure most of the 'dominionist' christian politics was based on expansionist bigotry, i.e. "lets go beat god into the heathens" and "cold is gods way of telling us we need to burn more protestants". The modern victimhood isn't based on hiding in attacks, priest holes or being afraid to show your face in public, it's being a screaming matyr to some slight, imagined or not, and demanding the same level of att…
> "cold is gods way of telling us we need to burn more protestants".
What? Christian Dominianists typically are Protestants, last I checked.
(Yes, American Catholics do contain a faction that's been shifting right, and there's a whole Wikipedia article about "Integralism", but this is not the kind of thing you usually find from them...)
But yeah, there are strains of Christianity that really like the "Romans fed us to the lions" stories.
As far as I can tell, most tribes do this in one way or another. Not all, but a good fraction. That they defend those stories to the end, and that their opponents try to deny that same victimhood status, I think speaks volumes. Everybody wants to be owed.
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#127I think quite a few identity-centered mental illnesses might actually be particular delusions, and in some cases we may be grouping people subject to one mental abnormality with others who are under the delusion they have that abnormality. That could explain why certain subsets of people exhibit symptoms which don't match the normal presentation. For example, and anecdotally based on my personal experience, people un…
"The ones I hypothesize are actually subject to a delusion of being transgender don't act like that. Their personality shifts radically after transitioning and they behave like an exaggerated caricature of their target gender and have a very difficult time navigating small group dynamics of their target gender." Generally speaking, I doubt your trans friends (if you have any) would enjoy being hypothesized about in t…
Those are all true statements but they don't seem to have much bearing on the question of whether we're improperly classifying two separate phenomena as the same thing. It could be an explanation as to why the vast majority of trans peoples' mental health is improved after transitioning but a small fraction begin to spiral.
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#128I wonder how many of these people are just creating and interacting with tulpas without realizing it. For anyone who isn't familiar, there is a subculture online of people who create what subjectively seem to be autonomous personalities that frequently manifest I'm the form of hallucinations. Think fight club sort of. My ex tried it out. Called me one day at work, terrified because this dragon was following him aroun…
I call bullshit.
As Foxmilk's talking lion tulpa, I can confirm the post is mostly BS. He/she (I can never tell because you all look the same to me) doesn't even know I'm on HN.
Re: “Multiple personality disorder” probably doesn't exist
#129I'm friends with someone who has clinical DID. It is, as near as I can tell, not induced by media, etc, but by extreme and profound trauma. > The people who have traditionally been treated for DID have suffered, greatly, and not in the cool arty time-to-dye-my-hair-again type of suffering common to social media performance, but actual, painful, pitiable suffering. Those patients who have been diagnosed in the past wi…
Dude has exactly zero expertise in the field or experience with this population, and yet he makes these kinds of claims. And all based on an article or two he found. Pathetic. Almost every psychiatric diagnosis is problematic, and articles questioning any's validity can be dug up. Doesn't mean the emotional/cognitive/behavioral cluster does not exist. The link between trauma and disassociation is incontrovertible, an…
> Almost every psychiatric diagnosis is problematic, and articles questioning any's validity can be dug up
That’s true, but this seems one of the more problematic ones. See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder....
Because of that, I don’t think it is problematic for anybody to say its controversial whether this disorder really exists.
This goes a bit further, though, claiming it probably doesn’t exist.
IMO, that isn’t saying the patients are faking having problems. It’s saying we don’t know much of mental illnesses, and that creating this label doesn’t help the world.
I think most in the field will acknowledge the first part of that statement. That’s why this is called a disorder (“a functional abnormality or disturbance”) and not a disease, a term we reserve for cases where we know what causes it.
As to the second part: I think a new label only makes sense if its definition groups people together not only because they have similar abnormalities, but also because they are helped by similar treatment. That’s very hard to judge for disorders, because “doesn’t respond to the standard treatment” can easily lead to a conclusion “diagnosis was incorrect”. That also is what those writing the DSM struggle with.
A problem, though, is that patients prefer hearing “you have foo” to “we don’t know”, even if there is no difference in treatment between the two.
I think that’s why those claiming “most people claiming to have foo don’t” (which I would say currently is true for such things as autism and ADHD), the stronger “foo is rarer than diagnosed” or the even stronger “foo doesn’t exist” are met with much resistance.
But again: I think the last two are statements about the state of psychiatry as a science, not about patients.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
No matter what one might think of Freddie deBoer, it is worth being aware of his own experience with psychosis. While this is not the same thing as DID, it did give him relatively deep personal insight into aspects of serious psychiatric disorder: https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/since-you-asked There re still plenty of people who have a severe distaste for his writing, his political views and his behavior, and I…
"I have ADHD so I'm an expert on autism."
"I have been treated for ADHD and as a result I understand some of the ways that a lot of psychiatric institutions fail patients with disorders such as ADHD, autism and others."
The article (despite the clickbait-y title) isn't really about the existence of DID.