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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by ggpsv »

rayiner wrote: post #345
tptacek wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latin America, Asia, Africa, and Oceania. HTH.

Is it south of some reference point (here in Maryland it looks like I’m south of Turkey and around the same as Beijing). Is Australia excluded? Or is it just a euphemism for developing nation.

There is not as it does not refer to a geographical designation. I wouldn't say it is a euphemism, but closer to what people actually refer to when they misuse the term "third-world".

The closest geographical designation was the Brandt line drawn in the 80s showing a north and south divide in terms of global wealth distribution [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_North_and_Global_South#...

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by dale_glass »

adventured wrote: post #145
wereHamster wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

25GB/s is overkill, and 640K ought to be enough for anyone. Those quotes age well.

1 Gbit/s is pretty close to still being overkill. 25 Gbit/s is laughable overkill and appears very likely to remain that way for the coming decade. Consumers around the globe have had increasingly common access to 1 Gbit/s for a decade and there still aren't any other great, common use cases for it beyond very high quality video streaming. It didn't take very long for computer use to need more than 640K by comparison…

1 Gbps is laughably slow. It doesn't even keep up with hard disks. Network attached storage is crippled by 1 Gbps networking. It's ancient. I remember doing an assignment in 2005 to design a network on a budget, deciding to "splurge" on gigabit, and finding it very much affordable. That was 17 years ago, and yet consumer networking barely budged since then.

10 Gbps is still below the 7 GB/s that a single NVMe on PCIe 4 (which is readily available) can achieve.

25 Gbps is still below that.

I'd say 100 Gbps is where the current practical maximum is more or less. You'd have a hard time writing or uploading data that fast on anything resembling consumer hardware.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by denysvitali »

zepearl wrote: post #346
denysvitali wrote: post #195

Swisscom customer (and employee) here, opinions are my own of course. They recently called me to upgrade my fiber connection from 1 Gbps to 10Gbps for free (every customer with a compatible connection gets it, AFAIK). I have to admit that, although the network is indeed faster (on the speed tests and file transfers), I really don't see the point quite yet. Considering that: - Most of the devices I use are anyways con…

I assume that you got from Swisscom a new router? If yes, does it have an active fan? If yes, is it usually active? Thx

I kept my Internet Box 3 (IB3): the 10Gbps doesn't need a new router, just a new SFP module (sent free of charge) :)

If you want you can get a IB4 and forget about the replacement module (it should have the module directly soldered onto the board AFAIK).

Anyways, both routers are fanless from what I know (and can hear).

https://www.swisscom.ch/content/dam/assets/b2c/products/inte...

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by nix23 »

denysvitali wrote: post #195

Swisscom customer (and employee) here, opinions are my own of course. They recently called me to upgrade my fiber connection from 1 Gbps to 10Gbps for free (every customer with a compatible connection gets it, AFAIK). I have to admit that, although the network is indeed faster (on the speed tests and file transfers), I really don't see the point quite yet. Considering that: - Most of the devices I use are anyways con…

>Reaching a 10Gbps peak is highly unlikely

True because the customer router has just one 2.5G and four 1G ports....thank you swisscom...but hey like you said the upgrade from 1G to "shared" ~10G was free.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by davidcsally »

kbenson wrote: post #353
404mm wrote: post #242

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That’s nice!! $40/mo? That does not sound like US price.

It is. Sonic in northern California. More places soon, but scaling out physical infrastructure build has its own learning curve and often larger lead times. :)

Just got hooked up in Oakland and loving it! Paying $70 less per month vs Comcast

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Youden »

underlines wrote: post #341
Youden wrote: post #173

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Downloading is legal in Switzerland. For a nice authoritative source, here's the Swiss Federal Institute for Intellectual Property (part of the Department of Justice and Police)[0]: "Downloading copyright-protected works for private use is permitted in Switzerland (Art. 19 CopA)." The mentioned legal basis is [1]. Note that this applies strictly to downloading though. Participating in a torrent swarm (where uploading…

downloading anything since 1997 in Switzerland: BBS, FXP, IRC/XDCC then later on gnutella, DC++, torrents and one click hosters. De jure it's not really legal anymore since they updated the law... De facto nobody cares as long as you're not making a business out of it. Same goes for the place I live since 2016: Thailand. Though: Not pirating for professional stuff, only for private stuff. I still support software/med…

> De jure it's not really legal anymore since they updated the law... De facto nobody cares as long as you're not making a business out of it.

My claim was founded on authoritative sources, including the law itself. If you want to contradict that claim, you'll need to back it up.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by kbenson »

404mm wrote: post #356
kbenson wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. Sonic in northern California. More places soon, but scaling out physical infrastructure build has its own learning curve and often larger lead times. :)

Dang! Good for you guys!! I’m in TX and ATT+Frontier have a firm grab on the infrastructure here. Charter is trying but still cannot compete with symmetric fiber.

I'm not sure, but I get the feeling that independent ISPs are having a bit of a resurgence, so maybe you'll be lucky and someone will look to serve your area. Or you can try it yourself. :)

I imagine it's easier now than it used to be to find some areas with good beauty and above ground infra (poles) that have space, and make a business plan and point at others that are doing it successfully as justification.

Or maybe we'll be there in a few years. At the rate we want to expand it's not impossible. :)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Matthias247 »

geoka9 wrote: post #130
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

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I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).

I'm in Vancouver and paying about 55 CAD plus taxes for 300Mbps. So it's possible to get a bit more for similar money. The downside of that is however those are not available as regular offers, and you constantly have to deal with ISPs and rention programs to keep the price down. Even had various events where the ISP randomly increased the price inside one month, until I gave them a call and ask to fix it again.

This price randomness never occured to me in germany, and just booking a fixed low price on a website was so much more convenient.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by denysvitali »

nix23 wrote: post #364
denysvitali wrote: post #195

Swisscom customer (and employee) here, opinions are my own of course. They recently called me to upgrade my fiber connection from 1 Gbps to 10Gbps for free (every customer with a compatible connection gets it, AFAIK). I have to admit that, although the network is indeed faster (on the speed tests and file transfers), I really don't see the point quite yet. Considering that: - Most of the devices I use are anyways con…

>Reaching a 10Gbps peak is highly unlikely True because the customer router has just one 2.5G and four 1G ports....thank you swisscom...but hey like you said the upgrade from 1G to "shared" ~10G was free.

That's true for IB3, but IB4 has a 10Gbps port, fyi
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